GPT-4o's Memory Breakthrough – Needle in a Needlestack • Hacker News Board

Re: GPT-4o's Memory Breakthrough – Needle in a Needlestack

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Post by Aerbil313 » Fri, May 17, 2024, 7:55 PM UTC

SubiculumCode wrote: post #215

nopromisessir wrote: post #199

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You said it mate. I feel bad for folks who turn away from this technology. If they persist... They will be so confused why they get repeatedly lapped. I wrote a working machine vision project in 2 days with these toys. Key word: working... Not hallucinated. Actually working. Very useful.

My daughter berated me for using AI (the sentiment among youth is pretty negative, and it is easy to understand why), but I simply responded, "if I don't my peers still will, then we'll be living on the street." And it's true, I've 10x'd my real productivity as a scientist (for example, using llms to help me code one off scripts for data munging, automating our new preprocessing pipelines, etc, quickly generating bul…

> My daughter berated me for using AI (the sentiment among youth is pretty negative, and it is easy to understand why)

I can’t relate. Currently in university. Everyone is thankful to God ChatGPT exists. I’d think it must be a joke, or your daughter somehow managed to live in a social circle which doesn’t yet adopted chatbots for school purposes.

Re: GPT-4o's Memory Breakthrough – Needle in a Needlestack

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Post by tsunamifury » Mon, May 20, 2024, 6:26 PM UTC

oliveshell wrote: post #248

tsunamifury wrote: post #212

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It can do limited battlefield reasoning where a remote pilot has significant latency. Call these LLMs stupid all you want but on focused tasks they can reason decently enough. And better than any past tech.

> “Call these LLMs stupid all you want but…” Make defensive comments in response to LLM skepticism all you want— there are still precisely zero (0) reasons to believe they’ll make a quantum leap towards human-level reasoning any time soon. The fact that they’re much better than any previous tech is irrelevant when they’re still so obviously far from competent in so many important ways. To allow your technological opt…

What? Why are you ranting like this -- I just said it can do enough limited reasoning to change the drone game...

why are you... kinda going off like this?

On top of that, why do you follow me around over the course of ... months making these comments. Its really extreme.

Re: GPT-4o's Memory Breakthrough – Needle in a Needlestack

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Post by tsunamifury » Mon, May 20, 2024, 6:26 PM UTC

throwthrowuknow wrote: post #224

tsunamifury wrote: post #212

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It can do limited battlefield reasoning where a remote pilot has significant latency. Call these LLMs stupid all you want but on focused tasks they can reason decently enough. And better than any past tech.

That seems like something a special purpose model would be a lot better and faster at. Why use something that needs text as input and output? It would be slow and unreliable. If you need reaction time dependent decisions like collision avoidance or evasion for example then you can literally hard wire those in circuits that are faster than any other option.

Yo, this wouldn't make flying decisions, this would evaluate battlefield situations for meta decisions like acceptable losses etc. The rest of course would be to slow.

Re: GPT-4o's Memory Breakthrough – Needle in a Needlestack

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Post by CWuestefeld » Tue, May 21, 2024, 8:03 PM UTC

skywhopper wrote: post #202

CWuestefeld wrote: post #181

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I hear these complaints and can't see how this is worse than the pre-AI situation. How is an AI "hallucination" different from human-generated works that are just plain wrong, or otherwise misleading? Humans make mistakes all the time. Teachers certainly did back when I was in school. There's no fundamental qualitative difference here. And I don't even see any evidence that there's any difference in degree, either.

Because people know they make mistakes, and aren’t always 100% certain and are capable of referring you to other people. Also because the mistakes LLMs make are entirely unlike mistakes humans make. Humans don’t generate fake URLs citing entirely fake references. Humans don’t apologize when corrected and then re-assert the same mistake. Also because we know that people aren’t perfect and we don’t expect them to be in…

Because people know they make mistakes, and aren’t always 100% certain and are capable of referring you to other people. Also because the mistakes LLMs make are entirely unlike mistakes humans make. Humans don’t generate fake URLs citing entirely fake references. Humans don’t apologize when corrected and then re-assert the same mistake.

Pretty much every element of the above statements is false. Heck, either your response to me, or this reply, seem to be examples showing that the first one is wrong.

Re: GPT-4o's Memory Breakthrough – Needle in a Needlestack

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Post by oliveshell » Wed, May 22, 2024, 1:22 AM UTC

tsunamifury wrote: post #252

oliveshell wrote: post #248

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> “Call these LLMs stupid all you want but…” Make defensive comments in response to LLM skepticism all you want— there are still precisely zero (0) reasons to believe they’ll make a quantum leap towards human-level reasoning any time soon. The fact that they’re much better than any previous tech is irrelevant when they’re still so obviously far from competent in so many important ways. To allow your technological opt…

What? Why are you ranting like this -- I just said it can do enough limited reasoning to change the drone game... why are you... kinda going off like this? On top of that, why do you follow me around over the course of ... months making these comments. Its really extreme.

:eyeroll:

Re: GPT-4o's Memory Breakthrough – Needle in a Needlestack

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Post by tsunamifury » Wed, May 22, 2024, 4:37 PM UTC

oliveshell wrote: post #255

tsunamifury wrote: post #252

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What? Why are you ranting like this -- I just said it can do enough limited reasoning to change the drone game... why are you... kinda going off like this? On top of that, why do you follow me around over the course of ... months making these comments. Its really extreme.

:eyeroll:

Dude you are literally obsessively stalking me in your comments... what is the deal honestly... why?