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Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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post #165

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> given they hadn't just had to implement the same thing for iOS You've kind of answered this for yourself; iPadOS _is_ iOS. Apple has, in any case, presumably more or less known this was coming for a year or so; they kind of had to make the argument that iPadOS and iOS were not the same thing, I suppose, but it was always a bit far-fetched that the EC would buy that.

It was actually due to the way "gatekeeper" is defined. The EU has now said that although iPads (still) do not meet the criteria, they are being explicitly targeted anyway. My guess is because this is simpler than expanding the criteria to include iPads in some way.

> My guess is because this is simpler than expanding the criteria to include iPads in some way.

They don't need to expand the criteria. DMA empowers the commission to investigate, and even declare as gatekeepers, products that do not meet the quantitative thresholds on the basis of qualitative assessment.

EU Commissioner Thierry Breton said: “We continue monitoring market developments and will not hesitate to open new investigations should other services below the thresholds present characteristics to be considered important gateways for business users,”. per the commission iPad passes the threshold for business users elevenfold.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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post #60

That means Apple must cover jailbroken devices under warranty too. Sideloading Cydia will be even easier now. Apple must support all device configurations now.

Cydia is just an App Store for modifications, right? Don’t you also need to exploit a vulnerability in the OS to get arbitrary code execution? Doubt modifying the OS will be covered under warranty.

Yes, if you sideload Cydia alone, it’ll still be sandboxed and you won’t be able to install the majority of tweaks

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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> ability to install an app off an unsigned IPA file for free I feel like the thinking is that there must be an entity — somebody running an app store — who could be held legally responsible for any damage caused by malware distributed via their channels. Regular non-tech-savvy users cannot be trusted with such delicate software as apps running on their personal phones.

The thing is though, as you said, it's my personal iPhone. If I want to be able to install an unsigned app I should be able to. There should be ways to dissuade the non-technical people but my feeling is it is my iPhone so I should be able to do as I wish.

Nothing against you personally, but since you get the same iPhone as the non-technical folks, some compromises have to be made, and they ain’t gonna be in your favour.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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post #67

The iPad App Store is perhaps an even more dysfunctional place than the iPhone in how much it holds hardware and use cases hostage to the manufacturer's vision. Just imagine how much more versatile the iPad Pro would be if only you could run Linux VMs on it in the moments you want to do anything remotely tinkery on an iPad. Apple's hardware since the 2021 iPad Pro (with M1) has had the ability to do this. The iPads h…

totally agree - the iPad Pro could be a great second coding/programming tool - I'd love to justify buying myself one, but.. I just don't see a use-case if I can't work on it. I don't design stuff, don't really feel like I need a separate browsing device either

I switched from an iPad to a Surface Go 3 running Fedora a while ago and it really transformed my tablet use. I mostly just watched Youtube videos and did some light browsing on my iPad, but never really any serious work. Occcasionally I would ssh into other machines using apps like Blink, but even with the external keyboard the UX just feels ... off. Same for other apps that have IDE-like environments. They work, but they're never really great to use.

I was skeptical about getting a Linux tablet because of the worse battery life and less polished overall experience, but having a desktop Firefox with all add-ons, my text editor of choice, and the ability to open a terminal and run whatever I want really more than makes up for it (Plus GNOME is a pretty good tablet experience out of the box these days as long as you broadly stick to their 'official' apps).

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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post #185

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Why would there be more outside the appstore since the appstore is fine with them? I expect apps predominantly rejected from the appstore to try to go outside it and those casino-like scams are accepted on the appstore.

Of course there will be more backdoored, hacked spyware outside the appstore, because there's no oversight for side-loading. And if some game dev says "hey, you can get rid of the ads by side loading" then quite a lot of people are going to do that. They don't understand security.

I don't see how appstore reviews (because that's the only thing that changes compared to an install from a website) can prevent much spyware to happen. Only the most obvious stuff could possibly get caught in these processes.

Having passed the appstore review myself, they are nothing but very shallow (except for anything touching their revenue streams of course)

Saying that the phone will be full of malware with a normal install is just saying with other words that the iPhone sandboxing is trash, which it really isn't, it's well made.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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post #174
post #6

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Why would IpadOS not be held to the same DSA rules as IOS? Apple has applied the same model of gatekeeping (walled garden) to both the iPhone and the iPad. DSA attaches requirements to the gatekeepers if they are big enough. Software similarity and market positioning don't really come into consideration once the role of gatekeeper has been established.

Because it doesn't meet the criteria. To summarise heavily, they are: - Size criteria: Have an annual turnover in the European Economic Area (EEA) of at least €7.5 billion in each of the last three financial years, or Have a market capitalization of at least €75 billion, and Provide the same core platform service in at least three EU countries. - Control an important gateway: Provide a core platform service which is…

EU isn't making an exception in this case. DMA empowers the commission to investigate, and even declare as gatekeepers, products that do not meet the quantitative thresholds on the basis of qualitative assessment.

Following this decision EU Commissioner Thierry Breton said: “We continue monitoring market developments and will not hesitate to open new investigations should other services below the thresholds present characteristics to be considered important gateways for business users,”.

per the commission iPad passes the threshold for business users elevenfold.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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post #170

Almost a decade ago, I bought an iPad Air to try and replace my MacBook Pro. It didn't work and had to resort to laggy online editors with paid subscriptions. And even then, when I was doing Ruby on Rails, it didn't even work out. Ok, so, the technology was new, sure. Last year I got myself an M series iPad "Pro" thinking things would have changed. Well, VS Code was the only product that allowed me to run a tiny VM t…

just buy the starlite tablet https://fr.starlabs.systems/

Install Wayland (easy install now). Enjoy Linux Dev & Android Apps

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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post #170

Almost a decade ago, I bought an iPad Air to try and replace my MacBook Pro. It didn't work and had to resort to laggy online editors with paid subscriptions. And even then, when I was doing Ruby on Rails, it didn't even work out. Ok, so, the technology was new, sure. Last year I got myself an M series iPad "Pro" thinking things would have changed. Well, VS Code was the only product that allowed me to run a tiny VM t…

Why don't you just use a 13" MacBook Air? It seems to solve all of your problems without any hacks.

"work from a small factor without carrying a brick to charge a 14", almost 3Kg device"

13" M2 Air - 15 Hours of battery life and 1.24kg. An iPad + Keyboard case is likely going to weight more than a MacBook Air anyways.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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post #221

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As long as the majority of the target group keeps buying MacBooks AND iPads, I doubt that Apple has an incentive to cannibalize its own product line. They are well-aware of this, visible from the fact that they never bothered to add a touch panel or Pen-support to any MacBook, or make the Watch a standalone device: Customers wanting this either buy the devices individually anyway, or wouldn't be willing to hand over…

I see the Watch the same as a late 90s Palm device. You can’t make it standalone, because it depends on a larger device for configuration. Unless, of course, you’re suggesting that it be made available for Android users as well.

I have the large Apple Watch. It has cell capabilities. I wish it was a standalone device. I don’t need a phone. The cellular watch could replace my phone if Apple allowed standalone devices. I doubt they will ever allow people to have a cellular watch without being tied to a phone.
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