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Re: This is a teenager

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Positive relationships with adults is shown to be means of counteracting adverse childhood experiences. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8237477/ I volunteer in a local school. It's not always fun, but something has to change.

> I volunteer in a local school. It's not always fun, but something has to change

Teachers and volunteers are how I was able to find a better life. What you're doing matters.

Re: This is a teenager

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to balk when anyone says that anybody is the same person they were 24 years ago.

You have to disbelieve anyone who says they aren't a derivation of their previous person states. That's just physics.

This is too simplified. What is the state of a person? It's an object of infinite information, the question what aspect you focus on is very non-trivial.

You don't have to disbelieve anyone who says a certain aspect of a persons life typically has little influence on their later life. Another issue is that for some a particular event might be life changing and for some the same event might be a nothing burger, for no obvious reason.

Re: This is a teenager

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The conclusion of this data presentation is that so of these people are our collective responsibility, and I just wasn't convinced. I wish they had shown percentages with the visualization. They choose not to. I was underwhelmed by some points that seemed like they should have been more shocking. Look at the huge number of people in the many adverse experiences category who made it to college, and make a high salary.…

The argument of the data seems to say we should put resources towards those with more adverse experiences in childhood.

But I wonder, if you were optimizing for improving more people's lives in a more meaningful way with limited funds, would you come to the conclusion that you could do so by focusing on improving the lives of those in the no adverse experiences group because you might be able to get more "life improvement units" per dollar?

Most think resources should be targeted towards groups that "deserve it more" because they are "worse off", but it's interesting to think if your goal is to create more happiness or whatever per dollar, maybe the discussion would lead us to investing in groups that are not on the proverbial "bottom"

Re: This is a teenager

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to disbelieve anyone who says they aren't a derivation of their previous person states. That's just physics.

Oh you have a comprehensive physical model of individual human behavior do you, in particular the decision making process of life-changing choices? I'd love to see the publication.

The future is still a function of the past, even if we lack that function's complete specification.

Re: This is a teenager

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh you have a comprehensive physical model of individual human behavior do you, in particular the decision making process of life-changing choices? I'd love to see the publication.

The future is still a function of the past, even if we lack that function's complete specification.

Yes, we can believe many things without any proof or justification. We call that religion, not "physics".

Edit: this was in response to a prior edit of the parent that (correctly) explicitly stated their position was a personal belief, not some sort of universally acknowledged axiom as they have since edited it to seem.

Re: This is a teenager

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This should be the measure of our country, rather than the Dow Jones Industrial Average. Incidentally, rehabilitating these traumatized kids-turned-adults would probably have profound positive impacts on the economy (since that's all Jamie Dimon and friends care about).

> This should be the measure of our country

The most important thing about a metric is that we all agree on how to interpret it. While money may not measure exactly the right thing, we can all agree that $50 is $50 regardless of our age, race, gender, upbringing, etc. Take a look at the other comments on this thread. There's hardly any consensus on what this visualization shows. If this was how we measured our country, we'd get nowhere because there's no agreement on what this data means or what to do about it.

Re: This is a teenager

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This should be the measure of our country, rather than the Dow Jones Industrial Average. Incidentally, rehabilitating these traumatized kids-turned-adults would probably have profound positive impacts on the economy (since that's all Jamie Dimon and friends care about).

Not disagreeing with your point that economic metrics often held too highly above others, but Jamie Dimon has commented a lot on the need to tackle inequality. Even if he's doing so for ulterior reasons, I feel like this is an uncharitable representation of his views.

> Jamie Dimon has commented a lot on the need to tackle inequality.

Good

Let's put him on the BBQ

Re: This is a teenager

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The presentation argues that the adverse experiences cited are outside the individual's control, some of them are and they can have negative effects, i agree, like gun violence or uninterested parents, but others are questionable, like suspensions or being held back in school, which is (in most part) derived directly from the individual's actions.

Since the margins in some of the statistics are so small i wonder how would they look with the adverse experiences ignoring this 2 points.

For me it is obvious that a person who was held back in school and received suspensions will be less likely to be well off when they are older.

Re: This is a teenager

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The conclusion of this data presentation is that so of these people are our collective responsibility, and I just wasn't convinced. I wish they had shown percentages with the visualization. They choose not to. I was underwhelmed by some points that seemed like they should have been more shocking. Look at the huge number of people in the many adverse experiences category who made it to college, and make a high salary.…

I'm really surprised that you consider it a "sacrifice" to help others. Because when "others" are doing well, I'm doing better too.

Give a job or a good life to anybody and you'll see, they'll just be better. Most of the poor/unemployed people are not like that because they choose to but because they had more hurdles to pass and ultimately were more at risk to fail. And it's not because some made it that it proves that the others should have made it too (survivor bias)...

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