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Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Post by bobthepanda »

throw0101b wrote: post #190
wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #48

Looking at the surrounding building of the Sagrada, just makes me wonder again, what the hell happened to modern architecture. Modern architecture has destroyed our cities. It's hard to find a building build after WO2 that's actually pretty, let alone an entire neighborhood. Nothing compared the historic cities of Europe. In a time when it's cheaper then ever to build, they've not been able to build anything even clo…

> Looking at the surrounding building of the Sagrada, just makes me wonder again, what the hell happened to modern architecture. To a certain extent: economics. Beauty generally does not show up on a spreadsheet, and when it does it often adds cost. Glass costs less than steel, concrete, or stone, so it's lower CapEx to have glass towers. (Of course glass sucks as a thermal insulator, so your OpEx for heating/cooling…

Glass is also not heavy, which is very important. (At least, relative to steel and brick.)

The modern glass curtain wall is popular because it is not load bearing and costs very little extra to hold up. High-rise steel frame was very expensive, and high-rise masonry basically impossible, because the frames also had to bear the weight of their own upper floors. The structural part of a modern skyscraper is basically floors cantilevering off a small concrete core, and the glass wall simply hangs off the cantilever.

Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Post by fvdessen »

Tabular-Iceberg wrote: post #195
simonklitj wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an interesting comment to me! How do you define secular-looking? Is it a lack of some particular design element?

It simply lacks Catholic design elements. The stained glass is a jumble of nonsense, not even a nice pattern like the Muslims do, and I suppose there is an altar and a crucifix in there somewhere, but they drown in all the visual clutter, like they’re ashamed of it. It’s possible, even likely, that the pictures don’t do it justice, so I will take a look in person at some point, but I don’t have high hopes.

The whole church is completely covered in innumerable fractals of catholic symbolism and its main tower will be topped by a 29 meters high cross. Maybe you just don't like the style, which is understandable as it is quite divisive.

Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Post by __loam »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #249

I've been and to me it looked more weird than beautiful. Like something from the set of Farscape. The quasi-organic forms are almost disturbing. I was surprised the clergy of the time agreed to it. Impressive sure, but in the way of "Wow, there is a lot of work in this weird thing"

Gaudí was incredibly ahead of his time with the design of the cathedral. Even as a non-believer I highly recommend that people visit this building at least once in their lifetime. It's unbelievable in person and I actually got vertigo looking up into it. It's a truly awe inspiring building and it's shocking that it was designed in the 19th century.

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Post by harry_ord »

spaniard89277 wrote: post #105
prmoustache wrote: post #83

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The thing is, most of the 60's/70's building look like shit from outside but are pretty nice and super funcional from the inside while some older ones were made for an era where people had huge hotel particuliers with servants and stuff and the current appartments have been build by splitting those in parts. Those appartments that aren't as well made/functionnal despite being nice to look at and having lots of vertic…

In Spain it's not only 60s/70s, pretty much everything build between the 60s and the 90s is not only ugly AF, but very low quality. And Barcelona is not even the worst offender. In northern spanish cities there's a lot of grey in the buildings, with basically no insulation in a humid and cold climate. My GF used to joke it was colder inside her home than outside. After the new construction code in the early 00s the q…

The cold thing was the biggest surprise when I was in Barcelona one November

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Post by bloomingeek »

cmpalmer52 wrote: post #18
jihadjihad wrote: post #5

It's amazing if you haven't gone, especially when sunlight streams in through the windows. I saw a quote while I was there that was something along the lines of, "Gaudí is not an artist with whom posthumous collaboration is possible." A couple minutes walking around the church is all that's needed to confirm that notion.

I’m not particularly religious and not Catholic, but the Sagrada Familia brought me to tears. The interior is one of the most beautiful man-made spaces I’ve ever seen.

My wife teared up and I was stunned. We arrived in the morning and the light was pushing the color out of the stain glassed windows! My neck was sore for a few days after looking up at the ceiling so much.

Waiting in line outside was even fun, just looking at all the detail.

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Post by amadeuspagel »

martibravo wrote: post #9

It won't. Gaudí's plan was to build a big staircase in front of it creating a new public square next to the temple, replacing some apartment buildings currently being used. Gaudí's project won't be finished until then. There's some pushback from the neighbors because finishing it all means bulldozing hundreds of apartments, although those apartments were bought at a discounted price decades ago because everyone knew…

That's a funny inversion of the usual NIMBY logic, where some space is set aside to build apartments but then kids start to play on it or whatever, and then there's no way apartments can be built there.

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Post by philsnow »

Tabular-Iceberg wrote: post #114
rsynnott wrote: post #52

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Well, the other thing is that many, perhaps most, religious people don't know very much about their religion. Very few Catholics would know the difference between a cathedral and a minor basilica, say (which is what started this thread off in the first place). Actually, I'd argue that this isn't a religious question, anyway; it's administrivia.

This is correct. Catholics pretty much gave up on talking about the faith to anyone, whether to the general public or even their own children during the 1960s. And it’s not only administrivia, for example only half of US Catholics have heard about transubstantiation and only a third believe in it. [1] 1. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2019/08/05/transubst...

> only half of US Catholics have heard about transubstantiation and only a third believe in it.

The USCCB is trying to work on this, we're almost 2 years into a 3-year Eucharistic "revival" (that word has weird connotations for me, but it's the word they used), https://www.eucharisticrevival.org/

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Post by Lance_ET_Compte »

wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #48

Looking at the surrounding building of the Sagrada, just makes me wonder again, what the hell happened to modern architecture. Modern architecture has destroyed our cities. It's hard to find a building build after WO2 that's actually pretty, let alone an entire neighborhood. Nothing compared the historic cities of Europe. In a time when it's cheaper then ever to build, they've not been able to build anything even clo…

The desire of people to drive (and park) their personal automobiles everywhere has killed cities. Density is forced to be lower.

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Post by ianburrell »

epolanski wrote: post #215
mminer237 wrote: post #144

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It belongs to the Holy See, but it's outside of Vatican City. It's kind of like how Guernsey is owned by the British Crown, but it's not part of Britain.

I'm not 100% of all legalese technicalities but I know for a fact vatican law applies there and it's managed and guarded by vatican's gendarmerie (my ex went to the university behind the basilica which is also part of the Holy See).

They are like foreign embassies, part of Italy but under ownership of Holy See. The Holy See is different than Vatican City. The Vatican City is independent country governed by the Holy See, the head of the Catholic Church.
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