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OpenAI board reappoints Altman and adds three other directors

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Re: OpenAI board reappoints Altman and adds three other directors

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“When you strike at a king, you must kill him.”

"You come at the king, you best not miss" - Omar Little

"If you want to kill someone without people knowing they were the actual target, wait until they stand next to the President" - Bobby Lee Swagger (could also be a line from that old dude in his cabin)

Re: OpenAI board reappoints Altman and adds three other directors

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> most people really don't understand just how much everything is about to change So instead of hedging and saying "it's going to change some things", you play into the "it's going to change everything?". Its stereotypical grandstanding when nobody really knows what is going to happen. The AI bros and AI deniers are both exhausting crowds.

because it will change everything everything good in your life is because of applied intelligence now imagine 1000x the intelligence at 1000x the intensity

> everything good in your life is because of applied intelligence

If this is true then everything bad in my life is also due to applied intelligence as intelligence itself doesn't have a moral connotation. "[N]ow imagine 1000x the intelligence at 1000x the intensity".

Both claims (everything good/bad because of intelligence) sound false to me. I guess the litmus test to the 1000x engineer (for example) is do we have 1000x the speed of product development.

Re: OpenAI board reappoints Altman and adds three other directors

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OpenAI is a nonprofit Do people really still believe this?

So is IKEA.

Well, the entity behind IKEA the brand. Same for Bosch.

Difference is, both IKEA and Bosch don't raise questions about their corporate governance. Which OpenAI pretty much does.

Re: OpenAI board reappoints Altman and adds three other directors

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The answer is that Altman tried to get the Board removed, the Board found out and snap fired him, which scared the shit out of Microsoft. The prior and new Boards both cannot make the allegation that Altman tried to commit a corporate coup, albeit for different reasons[0], so we're never going to get official confirmation of anything. My prediction is that Altman will, unmoored from any sort of accountability, wind u…

Nah, I think Microsoft will end up buying some form of assets off of OpenAI (it's a non-profit with odd corporate governance that Altman doesn't own stock in, so I don't think they'll buy the whole company) for an extremely exorbitant price. Altman will put in some ambitious but clueless Microsoft manager to run it and move on to his next thing. Then it'll turn out that Gen AI is dramatically overhyped and the real-w…

> Altman will put in some ambitious but clueless Microsoft manager to run it and move on to his next thing

Gervais principle agrees with you.

Re: OpenAI board reappoints Altman and adds three other directors

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The conclusion just raises further questions on why the coup happened, other than a "consequence of a breakdown in the relationship and loss of trust between the prior Board and Mr. Altman".

The short answer: it happened because the previous board was incompetent. Even if their grievances were not entirely illegitimate, they badly mismanaged the situation.

Re: OpenAI board reappoints Altman and adds three other directors

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I doubt there’s a precedent for a CEO of a “non-profit” effectively answerable to no-one and able to use it as their personal fiefdom. It’s basically a company without shareholders. I’m curious how this will play out legally. Certainly, no one with any sense will be “donating” any money in OpenAI without some strong and specific guarantees of what they’re going to be getting in return. So it can in no way can be cons…

Does the pope count as a precedent? Lots of donations head the pope’s way every day.

And the Vatican is rightly subject to a lot of criticism and scrutiny every time their activities stray in the for-profit realm. A few years their banks were effectively banned from the global banking system because they were too shady - they're not shady because they like to be shady, but because they work hard to hide activities that are not, er, "in character" with their stated non-profit mission. They had to clean up their act before they were allowed back in. The state of their numerous properties and businesses in Italy is constantly under legal challenge, with various different outcomes at various points in time.

The pope is not a model.

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because they aren't really a charity, and they aren't really interested in aligning AI. In the end, it's all an attempt to profit - with the initial marketing about charity/alignment that those with wishful thinking all bought into.

I've been watching the Y Combinator YouTube channel recently, and people in the room when OpenAI was founded were saying "… until these big companies solve AGI, it's going to be their first, second, and third goal" — not that OpenAI or Anthropic would succeed, but that this is their goal. Before the industrial revolution, land was paramount; after, capital. AGI is likely to be as significant a change, and make money…

Money is just a unit of accounting. Land is still just as important, as is labour. And in any case, capital is accumulated money. In the end these all amount to power, and capability to direct that power towards a goal.

Even if AGI becomes some form of new capital, it is still the same as capital as we know it today. Until the day humanity transcends and we no longer face the human condition of course.

Re: OpenAI board reappoints Altman and adds three other directors

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> most people really don't understand just how much everything is about to change So instead of hedging and saying "it's going to change some things", you play into the "it's going to change everything?". Its stereotypical grandstanding when nobody really knows what is going to happen. The AI bros and AI deniers are both exhausting crowds.

because it will change everything everything good in your life is because of applied intelligence now imagine 1000x the intelligence at 1000x the intensity

I can imagine it. You're skipping over the actually hard part, which is the question of where the current AI paradigm will top out. Don't pretend this is not an open question.

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The church provides a number of charitable services in healthcare, education etc across the world particularly in the developing world. If you add them all up they provide the most globally. They actually do things compared to this "open" and "non profit" front of a technology company.

You're comparing apples (openness) to oranges (doing stuff). It would be weird to even ask "How much open source code and research does the Catholic Church publish?" The church does stuff away for free, sure, but then so too does ChatGPT have this shockingly powerful free tier.

> How much open source code and research does the Catholic Church publish?

The Catholic church has not only engaged in centuries of religious scholarship, it has given the knowledge freely to anyone. They even set up buildings where you can go and they will teach you what they have found, most people go on Sunday.

That isn't to mention their patronizing of the arts supported the greatest painters and composers that humanity has ever produced.

Now how many hungry has OpenAI fed?

Re: OpenAI board reappoints Altman and adds three other directors

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Only a lawyer can really do that in legal cases. You know how Hollywood gets computers, coding, and hacking wrong? That's how bad non-lawyers are with law. Or, pertinently to this case — who knows more law: one of us, or ChatGPT?

One of us IANAL folks have one thing ChatGPT doesn't: we don't make up stuff up.

One of the more amusing dismissals of ChatGPT that I've heard is "mansplaining as a service".

We absolutely do make stuff up, we just don't realise we're doing it.

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