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I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Post by ta1243 »

blueskythinking wrote: post #112
ta1243 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work in a mid-to-large org. The more agile part use tools like jira and slack. The older part (established in the 1920s) use Remedy and Teams. Jira is brilliant. It is team-led. Different teams have different approaches, some love all the features like components, versions, issue types, assignee, kanban boards, scrumms, reports etc etc. Others like my team use it with subject/description/comments. You make the tool…

If by “team lead” you mean the noisy few set the rules and the rest of us have to deal with it, then that also matches my experience of Jira.

My team is 3 people so we're all the "noisy few"

Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Post by ta1243 »

wkat4242 wrote: post #233
NikolaNovak wrote: post #152

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I'm assuming that's a funny/sarcastic comment, but the scary part is... there's a chance it might be serious! :-O

No I'm serious, the whole 'agile' and Jira thing just wastes my time and distracts me from the work. I know what to do and how to do it, I don't like the whole unnecessary framework around it. Sure, tools that actually help me to do my job are good. But my job is not one that requires very specific tools. And methodologies I hate because they try to constrain my thinking. For the same reason I really hate participati…

A large part of my work is communicating with other teams and making sure we all fit together. Jira allows me to do that far more efficiently than phone-calls and a private notebook (like one person I know), or emails (like several)

Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Post by ta1243 »

lmm wrote: post #157
ta1243 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work in a mid-to-large org. The more agile part use tools like jira and slack. The older part (established in the 1920s) use Remedy and Teams. Jira is brilliant. It is team-led. Different teams have different approaches, some love all the features like components, versions, issue types, assignee, kanban boards, scrumms, reports etc etc. Others like my team use it with subject/description/comments. You make the tool…

> Jira is brilliant. It is team-led. Different teams have different approaches, some love all the features like components, versions, issue types, assignee, kanban boards, scrumms, reports etc etc. Others like my team use it with subject/description/comments. You make the tool fit what the team needs. > Same with slack, you can create and destroy channels around your team -- anyone can create any channel at any point…

Your jira seems to be set up to reduce your control

My corporate jira gives me full control over the workflows, what fields are shown, etc

That's not a jira problem, it's an organisation problem

There's no way I could extract any usable metrics from my jira, but that's not its purpose. It can however tell me where we are with the new upgrades to Site 95 (waiting on the people running the fibres), or who wanted that new device in Site 5 and crucially why.

Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Post by mgkimsal »

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #174
VonGallifrey wrote: post #73

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When I clicked on the site the very first opinion called Jira shit because they had 20 different boards for the same thing, 2000 tickets in the backlog and 20 different mandatory fields for each ticket. Which is absolutely not the fault of Jira. Jira does not make you create 20 boards and per default a Title is all you need to create a Ticket. By the complaints own wording they had 2000 tickets because management ref…

I'm not going to "stan" for JIRA, but I've developed software before Jira with Bugzilla and other smorgasborgs of tools. JIRA was a dramatic improvement at one point, however, it is bought and sold to managers, so it is unsurprising it eventually converges to managerial overengineering.

> it is bought and sold to managers

That is the root of the issue.

I've seen many small orgs adopt trello, slack, discord and other tools organically. I've rarely seen a small org willingly choose jira or teams; that is a choice that is almost always imposed by non-users of those tools.

Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Post by uzerfcwn »

mschuster91 wrote: post #129
bschne wrote: post #8

I always wonder how much of this sort of thing is disdain for the specific tool vs. disdain for what working in a mid-to-large org. is like and the overhead it usually brings with it.

We did the switch to Atlassian Cloud last year as there was no way to justify going for the 4x markup of a data center edition for self-hosting and oh boy, what a ride. The UI keeps changing around, it's dog slow , for some reason you can't copy a text from a ticket description because the pure act of clicking on the text will switch over to the editor that takes >10 seconds to load even on a high-power machine on a…

I agree. Cloud vs. Data Center is a big issue that doesn't get brought up enough when bashing Jira.

DC (and formerly Server edition) are pretty good products that do their thing fine and are fast enough for typical use. Unfortunately, Server edition was discontinued and DC is too expensive, so formerly happy developers are forced to switch to Cloud edition, which is horrendously slow. Jira Cloud also lacks some loved features, such as the plaintext comment editor [0].

[0] https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/JRACLOUD-72631

Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Post by bitwize »

Name a better agile project management tool that is centrally managed, supports multiple projects and workflow types, and delivers sweet, sweet dashboards to upper managers. JIRA isn't for you, it's for your boss's boss's boss.

Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Post by bitcharmer »

zac23or wrote: post #176
ta1243 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work in a mid-to-large org. The more agile part use tools like jira and slack. The older part (established in the 1920s) use Remedy and Teams. Jira is brilliant. It is team-led. Different teams have different approaches, some love all the features like components, versions, issue types, assignee, kanban boards, scrumms, reports etc etc. Others like my team use it with subject/description/comments. You make the tool…

“Jira is brilliant” I've never read that sentence before! My feeling is... developers hate Jira, managers love Jira. And that is expected. The tendency is for things loved by managers to be hated by developers, such as meetings, metrics, etc. An example of a very misused metric: In one of my jobs, managers started using Scrum Poker results as a productivity measure. “My team scored 100 points in the last sprint.” Ima…

> My feeling is... developers hate Jira

I'm a developer and I like Jira. People who hate it are probably forced to use some bloated setups. We just use Kanban and the backlog and that's it. It's great if you don't turn it into a fully blow project management tool.

Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Post by bitcharmer »

It's fascinating seeing 95% of comments here unloading on Jira for the completely wrong reasons. It's the configuration and how it's being used that makes the whole experience bad for many people.

You can misuse any tool but that doesn't mean the tool itself is shite, you're just using it incorrectly. If you limit Jira to just an issue tracker with Kanban it's actually pretty good.

Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Post by scott_w »

kortex wrote: post #207
zac23or wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Jira is brilliant” I've never read that sentence before! My feeling is... developers hate Jira, managers love Jira. And that is expected. The tendency is for things loved by managers to be hated by developers, such as meetings, metrics, etc. An example of a very misused metric: In one of my jobs, managers started using Scrum Poker results as a productivity measure. “My team scored 100 points in the last sprint.” Ima…

I'm a developer, and while I don't love it, I certainly don't hate it, and I don't see it worse than any other task-tracking tool. I haven't used trello or asana in a hot minute, but they were way worse in terms of UI and UX. I'm not totally sold on the whole points poker process though, but that could be a criticism of agile as a whole.

Planning poker, story points, etc. are not an intrinsic part of agile (or even Scrum, from what I understand). Honestly, I'd not use them at all because they're not worth the time investment.
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