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And indeed more than succeed, they invented x86_64.
And indeed more than succeed, they invented x86_64. If AMD invented the analogous to x86_64 for CUDA, this would increase competition and progress in AI by some huge fraction.
AMD funded a drop-in CUDA implementation built on ROCm: It's now open-source
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Re: AMD funded a drop-in CUDA implementation built on ROCm: It's now open-source
#252Why would this not be AMD’s top priority among priorities? Someone recently likened the situation to an Iron Age where NVIDIA owns all the iron. And this sounds like AMD knowing about a new source of ore and not even being willing to sink a single engineer’s salary into exploration. My only guess is they have a parallel skunkworks working on the same thing, but in a way that they can keep it closed-source - that this…
> Why would this not be AMD’s top priority among priorities? Same reason it wasn't when it was obvious Nvidia was taking over this space maybe 8 years ago now when they let OpenCL die then proceeded to do nothing till it's too late. Speaking to anyone working in general purpose GPU coding back then they all just said the same thing, OpenCL was a nightmare to work with and CUDA was easy and mature compared to it. Writ…
Re: AMD funded a drop-in CUDA implementation built on ROCm: It's now open-source
#253Earlier quoted context omitted.
Windows before NT was crap, so users had an incentive to upgrade. If there had existed a Windows 7 alternative that was near fully compatible and FOSS, I would wager Microsoft would have lost to it with Windows 8 and even 10. The only reason to update for most people was Microsoft dropping support. For CUDA, it is not just AMD who would need to catch up. Developers also are not necessarily going to target the latest…
Todays linux OS's would have competed incredibly strongly against Vista and probably would have gone blow for blow against 7. Proton, Wine, and all of the compatibility fixes and drive improvements that the community has made in the last 16 years has been amazing, and every day is another day where you can say that it has never been easier to switch away from Windows. However, Microsoft has definitely been drinking t…
The only thing it has going for it is being a free beer UNIX clone for headless environments, and even then, isn't that relevant on cloud environments where containers and managed languages abstract everything they run on.
Re: AMD funded a drop-in CUDA implementation built on ROCm: It's now open-source
#254This event of release is however a result of AMD stopped funding it per "After two years of development and some deliberation, AMD decided that there is no business case for running CUDA applications on AMD GPUs. One of the terms of my contract with AMD was that if AMD did not find it fit for further development, I could release it. Which brings us to today." from https://github.com/vosen/ZLUDA?tab=readme-ov-file#faq…
Re: AMD funded a drop-in CUDA implementation built on ROCm: It's now open-source
#255Why would this not be AMD’s top priority among priorities? Someone recently likened the situation to an Iron Age where NVIDIA owns all the iron. And this sounds like AMD knowing about a new source of ore and not even being willing to sink a single engineer’s salary into exploration. My only guess is they have a parallel skunkworks working on the same thing, but in a way that they can keep it closed-source - that this…
DirectX vs OpenGL. This brings back memories of late 90s / early 00s of Microsoft pushing hard their proprietary graphic libraries (DirectX) vs open standards (OpenGL). Fast forward 25-years and even today, Microsoft still dominates in PC gaming as a result. There's a bad track record of open standard for GPUs. Even Apple themselves gave up on OpenGL and has their own proprietary offering (Metal).
Then there is the whole issue of extension spaghetti, and incompatibilities across OpenGL, OpenGL ES and WebGL, hardly possible to have portable code 1:1 everywhere, beyond toy examples.
Re: AMD funded a drop-in CUDA implementation built on ROCm: It's now open-source
#256Earlier quoted context omitted.
DirectX vs OpenGL. This brings back memories of late 90s / early 00s of Microsoft pushing hard their proprietary graphic libraries (DirectX) vs open standards (OpenGL). Fast forward 25-years and even today, Microsoft still dominates in PC gaming as a result. There's a bad track record of open standard for GPUs. Even Apple themselves gave up on OpenGL and has their own proprietary offering (Metal).
Let's not forget the Fahrenheit maneuver by Microsoft that left SGI stranding and not forward OpenGL.
Re: AMD funded a drop-in CUDA implementation built on ROCm: It's now open-source
#257I'm really rooting for AMD to break the CUDA monopoly. To this end, I genuinely don't know whether a translation layer is a good thing or not. On the upside it makes the hardware much more viable instantly and will boost adoption, on the downside you run the risk that devs will never support ROCm, because you can just use the translation layer. I think this is essentially the same situation as Proton+DXVK for Linux g…
> I'm really rooting for AMD to break the CUDA monopoly Personally I want Nvidia to break the x86-64 monopoly, with how amazing properly spec'd Nvidia cards are to work with I can only dream of a world where Nvidia is my CPU too.
Re: AMD funded a drop-in CUDA implementation built on ROCm: It's now open-source
#258Earlier quoted context omitted.
And indeed more than succeed, they invented x86_64. If AMD invented the analogous to x86_64 for CUDA, this would increase competition and progress in AI by some huge fraction.
Only works if NVidia misteps and creates the Itanium version of CUDA.
Re: AMD funded a drop-in CUDA implementation built on ROCm: It's now open-source
#259ROCm is not spelled out anywhere in their documentation and the best answers in search come from Github and not AMD official documents "Radeon Open Compute Platform" https://github.com/ROCm/ROCm/issues/1628 And they wonder why they are losing. Branding absolutely matters.
I have no idea what CUDA stands for, and I live just fine without knowing it.
Re: AMD funded a drop-in CUDA implementation built on ROCm: It's now open-source
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AMD's management seems to be only vaguely aware that GPU compute is a thing. All of their efforts in the field feel like afterthoughts. Or maybe they are all just hardware guys who think of software as just a cost center.
They are aware, but it wasn’t until recently that they had the resources to invest in the space. They had to build Zen and start making buckets of money first
Their leadership seems quite a bit more competent than random forum commenters give them credit for. I guess what they need, marketing wise, is a few successful halo GPU launches. They haven't done that in a while. Lisa acknowledged this years ago. It's marketing 101. I guess these things are easier said than done.