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Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by randomdata »

bluescrn wrote: post #231
randomdata wrote: post #182

In theory, a representative democracy keeps checks and balances by the people still routinely communicating with each other as if it were a direct democracy and if the representatives are not acting in accordance with the direct findings, then it's off with their heads. But in practice that's a lot of work. The reality is that most people don't want to be involved and are happy to have some figurehead do the work for…

A representative democracy ends up representing the money, not the people

Sure. All governance, no matter how it is shaped, ends up representing the money. Remember, money is a token of debt. If you give someone money, you promise to give them something of yourself in return at a future point in time. When you are indebted to someone they hold power over you. There is no system or framework that can avoid that shift in power when you indebt yourself to another. The only way to avoid it is to avoid debt.

But ultimately that's just people.

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Post by anonzzzies »

spookie wrote: post #204
anonzzzies wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a great achievement by the company; I am not refuting that. It’s still a niche product no one but a few tech people heard off it or would buy it.

Microsoft only managed to sell 140k Xbox Ones in Japan. Just throwing a comparison.

So xbox one was a small niche in Japan.

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Post by blindriver »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #110
blindriver wrote: post #98

Ever since leaving Canada I’ve come to realize how intellectually stupid Canadian politicians are. The U.S. has Rhodes scholars and Harvard graduates and Canada has kindergarten teachers and used car salespeople. The smartest Canadians know that it’s more lucrative to leave Canada and come to the U.S. so the brain drain leaves Canada at the behest of below average intelligence but highly ambitious and greedy politici…

The Deputy PM of Canada is a Harvard educated Rhodes scholar, wrote an international best-seller and was a correspondent for Financial Times, The Washington Post, and The Economist before joining Thomson Reuters as a managing director. Then she started her political career.

Is she the one that let her bodyguard arrest an independent journalist for asking her questions?

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Post by maxglute »

defrost wrote: post #63
xvector wrote: post #52

This is what happens when you let your government run wild. You can't carry a pocketknife in the UK, you can't carry a Flipper in Canada. Insane. I genuinely hope the US does not become even more of a farce of a democracy like these two. Soon our own fingers will be banned "for our own safety."

UK knife law allows you to carry non-locking pocket knives with a blade length up to 3 inches (7.62 cm) without any need for a valid reason. https://www.knivesandtools.com/en/ct/uk-knife-laws.htm If you've got a job related need to carry a mofo knife (cane cutting with a machete) there's no drama. Yes, it's regulated - but it's not what you claim it to be. Next you'll be claiming there's no guns in Australia.

You can't carry cool pockets knifes with fast open mechanisms/methods, which doesn't make much sense to me outside of panic other than maybe gives people 0.2 seconds to run. I remember being sorely disapoitned that Jack Bauer's Microtech Halo III was illegal in my country.

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Post by blindriver »

defrost wrote: post #101
blindriver wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except gun ownership is codified into the US Constitution. That’s why is impossible to get rid of, unfortunately.

That's hardly the issue, gun ownership is part of Australia also - the difference being that there it is regulated. The debate in the US is largely about what constitutes well-regulated and is a mess as States are not aligned.

You can’t compare Australia to the U.S. on many levels.

Australia is less than 10% the population of the U.S. Its easy to get to the majority of 20 million people to agree to something. It’s impossible when you have over 300 million. And the U.S. has a wide history of different states with different attitudes.

Also gun laws are codified in the constitution in the U.S. that’s not the same way in every other country in the world. I wish I could remember who said it, but to paraphrase, Constitutional rights are God-given rights as viewed by Americans. Every other country has government-given rights which can be taken away whenever the government wants. That’s not the case in the U.S. and why it’s so much more entrenched and impossible to get rid of.

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Post by blindriver »

theultdev wrote: post #122
blindriver wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except gun ownership is codified into the US Constitution. That’s why is impossible to get rid of, unfortunately.

Unfortunately? Just above we can see a clear point that criminals will still have guns. They won't turn them in. You'll only take away the ability of law-abiding citizens to defend themselves. My wife carries a gun because she is smaller and weaker than most men, she needs it to protect herself.

Unfortunately because I wish there were no guns at all. But I’m a pragmatist. I know gun ownership will never go away in the U.S. so I own guns as well.

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Post by joshuakogut »

AnarchismIsCool wrote: post #140

In the grand scheme, these are remarkably unsophisticated devices. It's almost a meme in RF circles to excitedly buy one and then immediately realize it's just a Girl Tech IM-me with NFC. If you want to do real damage there are portable SDRs that can jam GPS and transmit just about any arbitrary radio signal from DC to 6GHz for less than $500. This is a mildly powerful toy that has a large, intelligent and curious co…

I would be interested in that community. I'm sure I'm not the only one here.

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Post by happytoexplain »

riwsky wrote: post #250
happytoexplain wrote: post #28

I was under the impression that cars and garage doors are essentially 100% immune to replay attacks. How could they possibly be susceptible to something to rudimentary? Or am I not understanding some context?

Not 100%. Some are basically CSPRNGs that iterate with every successful unlock; if you capture the “play” from a key AND block the car from getting the signal, you get a replay attack you can only use once. And which desyncs the key with the car, making it useless until a dealer re-pairs them.

This is my understanding - I guess I shouldn't have said "100%". It's just that it seems like there are vanishingly rare real-world scenarios in which one could engineer this situation that don't involve gaining access to the actual key, at which point you could simply take it, so the choice to use the Flipper instead would be moot for the topic of vulnerability.

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Post by mistercheph »

stavros wrote: post #245
mistercheph wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forgive me if as an American I hold up the English people and their government as a model of how a free and democratic nation ought not to be.

This comment is basically "I see UK, I downvote". Zero relevance to the point that was being made, just wanted to say "US > UK".

GP comment was basically just, "The UK would do it." Zero relevance to the point being made besides "what UK does = good idea". So I responded in kind by registering my opinion that "what UK does = bad idea".
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