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Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by deltaburnt »

rvnx wrote: post #207
snapcaster wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm confused on how this is "cheating" isn't it just getting the answer wrong?

It's answering with "cherries", though "cherries" were never mentioned anywhere in the question since the task was to choose between "apples" and "pears" this time, and not "cherries" and "pears" like the example found on the internet.

I agree with who you're responding to. Cheating, to me, would imply that there's some sort of hard coded guiding to the LLM. This just seems like typical LLM hallucinations?

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by cool-RR »

stranded22 wrote: post #216

Ok, so signed up to the free trial. I’ve now got perplexity pro, ChatGPT pro (expiring in a day or two), copilot pro (expiring end of the month) and Gemini advanced. And really, I don’t have much use for any of them over and above perplexity pro. Gemini advanced doesn’t produce images- and no voice replies either (on iOS at least - UK), so I don’t really see the point of having it past the trial. Copilot is ok, but I…

Can you please give your impressions of Perplexity Pro?

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by _xivi »

xyst wrote: post #209
edu_do_cerrado wrote: post #138

I heavily use Chat GPT's API in my day job, as it is the core of our business (Ai-powered startup). When Gemini Pro launched, me and my team tested it in the same day for our product, but we where disappointed as it is was a bit worse than gpt 3.5 (at least in the same prompts that we already had). I really hope that Gemini Ultra surpass gpt4, it is always exciting to see and use new advanced tech, but I'm still a li…

Anybody really surprised at this point? G has had DeepMind in their pockets since ‘12-‘14 and made little advancements. OpenAI changed the game in half the time. G is inferior and losing the race.

OpenAI is built on top of Google advancements and research. It didn't change the game, more like took a shortcut and landed on a gold mine.

The fact that many products and models including open source have catched up on such a short notice and now compete with OpenAI, in what should be their self-proclaimed backyard, suggest it's just a one-trick pony.

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Post by CuriouslyC »

agumonkey wrote: post #229
xyst wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anybody really surprised at this point? G has had DeepMind in their pockets since ‘12-‘14 and made little advancements. OpenAI changed the game in half the time. G is inferior and losing the race.

It's doubly strange because Google had an implicit reputation of being the unbeatable giant in computing research and resources.. many expected them to compete and smoke chatGPT in a few weeks. It's been months and nothing came up except fumblings and confusion.

Sundar has zero vision and has created a culture that stifles new developments in bureaucratic morass while threatening to kill them shortly after birth.

Google may have more scientists and some of the best minds in the business, but ChatGPT has nearly 200 million users that are feeding it back data for RLHF, and data is a much more important moat than better tech (which mostly ends up being published and disseminated anyhow).

AI is a game between OpenAI and Meta. ChatGPT has a ton of users creating highly relevant data, but Meta has the incredible walled trove of facebook/instagram/whatsapp/+ data that dwarfs pretty much anyone else on the planet, and with Mark's recent push to build up their compute their only competitors in that space are microsoft and google. People discounted Meta because of that horrible metaverse move, but Mark is being pretty canny now, they're very well positioned to choke the life out of specialty chatbot products while integrating SOTA AI into all of their products to slowly crank up the time people are on platform.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by ajross »

rvnx wrote: post #207
snapcaster wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm confused on how this is "cheating" isn't it just getting the answer wrong?

It's answering with "cherries", though "cherries" were never mentioned anywhere in the question since the task was to choose between "apples" and "pears" this time, and not "cherries" and "pears" like the example found on the internet.

I don't understand the leap to "cheating" either. LLMs aren't abstract logic models; they don't promise to reason from first principles at all. They give you an answer based on training data. That's what you want them to do. That they have some reasoning features bolted around the inference engine is a feature companies are rushing to provide (with... somewhat mixed success).

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by crazygringo »

TechRemarker wrote: post #50
dorianmariefr wrote: post #5

"Sorry, Gemini Advanced isn't available for you" "Gemini Advanced is not yet available in some countries, for work accounts, or for users under a certain age." Learn more: https://login.corp.google.com/request?s=support.corp.google....

Google Work Paying users always get the short end of the stick.

Workspace users always get features after free consumer accounts so that organization admins have time to evaluate them, update training materials, etc.

This is a feature, not a bug.

And of course there are lots of features that Workspace accounts get, that free accounts don't get at all. Like the timeline view in Sheets.

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