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Over the edge: The use of design tactics to undermine browser choice

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Re: Over the edge: The use of design tactics to undermine browser choice

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Post by Jenda_ »

squigz wrote: post #231
ryandrake wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I sometimes think I’m the only person in the universe who doesn’t prefer tabs. I already have a way to manage multiple windows worth of content: my OS’s Window Manager. Why would I want every application I run to also implement its own custom window management—visually and functionally inconsistent from every other application’s custom window management? I feel applications that do tabs are just like applications tha…

They manage 2 entirely different contexts. When I want to check my mail, I know I just have to go to Firefox and hit the first tab; not cycle through 200 unorganized windows

Some window managers, such as Fluxbox, support "tabbed windows". You can group windows into one "superwindow" and then switch these in a titlebar. Maybe this is what the GP meant?

Screenshot: https://www.reddit.com/r/UsabilityPorn/comments/bqg9tw/fluxb...

Re: Over the edge: The use of design tactics to undermine browser choice

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Post by beretguy »

ARandomerDude wrote: post #162
barbs wrote: post #51

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It's bullshit like this that makes linux attractive.

I always think this, then remember I also like sound, Bluetooth, and low-power sleep. Maybe 2025 will be the year of the Linux desktop.

Never had any issues with sound and Bluetooth with my Mint. And don’t care about low power sleep so don’t know if it is buggy or not.

Re: Over the edge: The use of design tactics to undermine browser choice

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Post by beretguy »

AlexandrB wrote: post #188
izacus wrote: post #127

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If that would be true, the websites would only support Safari and Chrome. But it's not true and websites work just fine on Firefox - so stop peddling this crap to defend lockout of choice.

There are plenty of websites that have degraded performance or functionality in Safari and Firefox. The most obvious being many of Google's products.

So don’t use Google products then.

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Post by epolanski »

ta8903 wrote: post #179
epolanski wrote: post #39

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WSL2, power toys and hands down the best window management of any OS, I hate working on my MBP just due to the difficulty of managing different windows and aligning them on the same desktop.

>hands down the best window management of any OS Huh? You can't even snap windows to screen edges.

You can use the keyboard for that.

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Post by kjkjadksj »

executesorder66 wrote: post #241
ljm wrote: post #186

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I would genuinely hate to be an engineer working on the edge team. It feels like building a decent browser comes entirely secondary to moving the needle on marketing and growth targets. Not the only situation where it seems your Windows-running computer is basically held hostage by MBAs wanting to boost Bing’s numbers.

That's why microsoft only hires people who fail any ethics test you can imagine, and who pass any asshole test that you can give them.

Xbox team has some good eggs at least. They didn’t need to make certain x360 titles forwards compatible, you can’t even get the disks new anymore, but they did it anyway.

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Post by kjkjadksj »

noduerme wrote: post #35

MacOS allows you to "hard click" (long click) a text selection in any application, which pops up a bubble that lets you do a web search for that phrase. But the search only launches Safari. I wasted at least a couple hours scouring boards and kext files, screwing with automation macros, trying to find a way to make this potentially helpful shortcut not open Safari, but instead open Firefox. Eventually I just gave up.…

I make that long click happen all the time by mistake trying to select text, all thanks to the phantom trackpad. I’m not sure why that was ever needed, the only time the trackpad would shatter on the old one from clicking it was when the battery was already swollen.

Re: Over the edge: The use of design tactics to undermine browser choice

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Post by kjkjadksj »

ARandomerDude wrote: post #162
barbs wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's bullshit like this that makes linux attractive.

I always think this, then remember I also like sound, Bluetooth, and low-power sleep. Maybe 2025 will be the year of the Linux desktop.

Probably twice a day I accidentally bring up the emoji keyboard. Macos makes me grow wearier with each update. Eventually a straw will break this camels back.

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Post by droopyEyelids »

executesorder66 wrote: post #242
baxuz wrote: post #227

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I sincerely doubt it's the devs coming up with these ideas and pitching them to management.

I don't work for microsoft, but I and everyone else knows that that is the kind of shit you'll be working on (who suggested it is irrelevant) long before you'd even do an interview with them. Microsoft employees are certified assholes, and they know it.

He’s saying that developers are simply given a list of tasks to implement and their decision making authority stops after “how do i implement this ticket”

The role “product manager” is what makes the product decisions like we’re describing.

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Post by noduerme »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #256
noduerme wrote: post #35

MacOS allows you to "hard click" (long click) a text selection in any application, which pops up a bubble that lets you do a web search for that phrase. But the search only launches Safari. I wasted at least a couple hours scouring boards and kext files, screwing with automation macros, trying to find a way to make this potentially helpful shortcut not open Safari, but instead open Firefox. Eventually I just gave up.…

I make that long click happen all the time by mistake trying to select text, all thanks to the phantom trackpad. I’m not sure why that was ever needed, the only time the trackpad would shatter on the old one from clicking it was when the battery was already swollen.

I kind of like the long click, but another thing I spent hours looking for was a way to increase the pressure needed for it. As well as to increase the haptic feedback for both kinds of clicks past the maximum setting in the system preferences. Couldn't find a way to do either. Some hacker I am.

Re: Over the edge: The use of design tactics to undermine browser choice

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Post by noduerme »

moffkalast wrote: post #101
noduerme wrote: post #35

MacOS allows you to "hard click" (long click) a text selection in any application, which pops up a bubble that lets you do a web search for that phrase. But the search only launches Safari. I wasted at least a couple hours scouring boards and kext files, screwing with automation macros, trying to find a way to make this potentially helpful shortcut not open Safari, but instead open Firefox. Eventually I just gave up.…

the EU Commission would like to know your location

I have a feeling this will be next on the DOJ's list as well.
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