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It has a serious competitor? Airbus is equal if not higher in market share.
Is my plane a 737 MAX?
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#252A lot of people don't realize that the fuselage of this plane isn't even made by Boeing, it's made by Spirit AeroSystems which also makes components for Airbus. We don't really know who to blame here until the investigation concludes.
1 - it really doesn't matter, delegating your manufacturing to a subcontractor doesn't absolve you of ensuring the product is made properly
2 - it's made in a former Boeing plant, that boeing sold to an investment fund and then contract work to, so if your point is "that's not how REAL boeing manufacturing is done" well that's certainly where boeing is heading its manufacturing.
3 - The plane is designed, certified, assembled, inspected and then sold by Boeing. If I buy a ford and the door falls off randomly after two weeks, I don't care which subcontractor made the door, I give ford an angry warranty call.
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#254Earlier quoted context omitted.
If it was a subcontractor, wouldn't they want to not fly on planes made by that subcontractor?
Those other planes aren't experiencing active safety disruption events at the moment, so no. We might not ultimately know whose fault it is, but we know which planes are faulty. 737 MAX has a history of problems, and I'm shocked they weren't shelved the first time.
The planes listed on the website in this submission aren't experiencing any safety issues at the moment, either. The plug doors are only on MAX 9s, which are currently all grounded.
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#255Earlier quoted context omitted.
> But at that point it's too late. I doubt people are that afraid of 737 Max that they'll cancel a flight (and forfeit their ticket) over it. Luckily the airlines I travel with only use Airbus, but if they were using 737 Max, I'd definitely book tickets that I can change at the last minute, and refuse to board if it turns out to be a 737 Max. Yes, that's probably illogical. And probably much of life is illogical. But…
The 737 is cursed. Not illogical to avoid it. There are plenty alternatives.
Point of order, because this is HN and I get to be pedantic here: the 737 Max is cursed; the 737 and 737NG are proven good by their long track record of reliability through thousands of units produced and in service
Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?
#256Earlier quoted context omitted.
Its appalling safety record [0] thus far makes it one of the least safe airplanes in modern history. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_MAX#Accidents_and_i...
That is really bad misinformation statistically speaking. The "Max" aircraft (all variants) have literally many millions of miles of safe flight. If anything, it is the most scrutinized commercial aircraft in all of history.
Are you equating and summing miles flown from different variants?!
Rules and regulations apply separately for each variant.
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#257Class action suit coming soon?
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#258Are you less safe on a 737 MAX than driving to the airport in a car? Genuinely curious, I’m trying to understand if this whole saga is statistically significant.
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#259Aviation is safe. An issue happened and appropriate steps have immediately happened and in the end an already incredibly safe industry will be even safer. If a car has an issue we don't blink and we loose nearly 40k people a year in the US alone, but a plane has an issue and we panic. Yes, panic. This is not rational or helpful and is a huge reason why aviation is so antiquated. You want flying cars? Stop panicking a…
> Stop panicking at statistically minor issues
Um there are like 215 Max 9s and a door plug blowing out on one seems statistically significant.
> we should instead be celebrating a system working as it should.
Is the way Boeing facilitated the Max's approval "the system working as it should"?
Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?
#260Earlier quoted context omitted.
What isn’t significant about Boeing consistently failing in the construction and quality of the 737 MAX? How does comparing it to driving to the airport prove anything? Scratch that, it proves nothing. What are you getting at?
Maybe that it would be interesting to know what the numbers actually are. There is the common saying that you are more likely to get in an accident on the way to the airport than traveling on the plane, but knowing what the likelihood of both of those as well as the likelihood of an accident on a max could show this all to be hysteria or actually well founded.
Take it like this: If you have to ride share and you hear that a common car used by drivers of Uber is having an increased failure rate, not passing inspections and have been temporarily banned from being on the road until more is learned; I think a pretty fair response is to try and avoid entering that car regardless of the ratio of incidents when driving that car, and when biking to the dealership to get it