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Wow, nearly 7 million. That’s incredible for a nonprofit CEO. Much, much large orgs have CEOs that get paid 10-15x less. This should be criminal. The taxpayers are being stolen from.
Which taxpayers exactly are you referring to?
Mozilla is a tar pit designed to prevent alternative browsers forming. Firefox deserves better.
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I think the situation is simple. They are rendering one service that their users value, and it is making Firefox. They should ask (not require) payment for that service. Yes, what they should do is basically to run a Patreon subscription, clearly marked "For the continued development of Firefox". At a very accessible level of $3 / mo on average , and merely 5M subscribers over the world, they'd have $15M monthly, or…
They have a donate button. Which is all about subscriptions. Which is why I went away without even doing a one time donation, as my original intention was. I deeply resent being pushed into subscriptions and you should too.
But it's a recurring revenue what allows you e.g. to hire developers. Sad but true.
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Wouldn't that be easy to verify by just looking at the relative market shares of different browsers and checking if there is an 'unknown' browser whose market share is increasing proportionately to Firefox's decrease?
Not if the metrics come solely from analytics like GA. It would appear as an absolute decline in browser numbers instead (which would probably be indistinguishable from noise in most samples).
| Year | Firefox | Chrome | Other |
| 2020 | 20% | 75% | 5% |
| 2021 | 19% | 75% | 6% |
| 2022 | 18% | 75% | 7% |
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Not if the metrics come solely from analytics like GA. It would appear as an absolute decline in browser numbers instead (which would probably be indistinguishable from noise in most samples).
All I'm saying is you just need a table like this: | Year | Firefox | Chrome | Other | | 2020 | 20% | 75% | 5% | | 2021 | 19% | 75% | 6% | | 2022 | 18% | 75% | 7% | This would make it pretty obvious, no?
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at least boot2gecko made 1000x more sense than a painfully vague "focus on AI"
I love FF and T-bird hard, but I have this mental image of a huddle full of brilliant, 20-year-plus systems engineers sitting in a room staring at a whiteboard with 'AI?' in the middle of it. "Ok, everybody popcorn up some ideas. Don't be shy." [one of them opens a laptop and begins fiddling with a flame graph]
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> if more people used their browser more they might invest more in it Let me donate to support Firefox. Firefox, only. Hell, she can even skim off the top for her pay. They don’t do this because it would trash the gravy train. So Firefox is held hostage to support a litany of nonsense that lets them travel to conferences to speak about AI.
Okay, so what is complaining achieving here since you already acknowledge they won’t let you donate to Firefox directly? I’m not crazy about it either but I don’t lose sleep over it. It’s a browser and management could be better. I know it’s a touchy subject and people may not like to hear it but until I’m downvoted into oblivion I’m going to say this discussion is not worth rehashing time and time again. The donatio…
That usage isn’t what’s constraining Firefox’s resources. Management is. Use Firefox if you like it. (I do, in part.) But don’t argue that if more people use it Mozilla will give a shit; it’s already a material fraction of their revenues and they’re ignoring it.
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Okay, so what is complaining achieving here since you already acknowledge they won’t let you donate to Firefox directly? I’m not crazy about it either but I don’t lose sleep over it. It’s a browser and management could be better. I know it’s a touchy subject and people may not like to hear it but until I’m downvoted into oblivion I’m going to say this discussion is not worth rehashing time and time again. The donatio…
> what is complaining achieving here since you already acknowledge they won’t let you donate to Firefox directly? That usage isn’t what’s constraining Firefox’s resources. Management is. Use Firefox if you like it. (I do, in part.) But don’t argue that if more people use it Mozilla will give a shit; it’s already a material fraction of their revenues and they’re ignoring it.
At the moment, it is unclear how much extra money, devoted to improving what, would increase Firefox’s market share significantly and am not surprised to see them explore other options. Brave, Vivaldi, etc, don’t seem to have figured it out either.
I choose not to be cynical, nor will I allow myself to be upset about it one way or another and wish others would do the same.
Being negative is more likely to scare off new users/contributors than change Mozilla.
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There is definitely a downward usage trend from Mozilla own stats. https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity
Right; nobody is claiming that Firefox is doing well. But that downward trend is not proportionate with the claimed global downward trend; it's much smaller.
Jan 3 2021 210,085,100
Jan 1 2023 193,199,300
Dec 17 2023 185,599,100
Openoffice was forked to become Libreoffice and seems to have gotten beter for it.
Time to fork Firefox [1] and take over where Baker dropped the ball because she thought the rules of the game could be changed to make it no longer necessary to play to win.
Wow, nearly 7 million. That’s incredible for a nonprofit CEO. Much, much large orgs have CEOs that get paid 10-15x less. This should be criminal. The taxpayers are being stolen from.