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How to learn chess as an adult (2021)

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Re: How to learn chess as an adult (2021)

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I don't like losing, I want to always win. That's why I don't play. I've been thinking recently that I should play anyway so that I could grow out of this condition. Any tips for that?

Honestly: Play a game where you are supposed to win.

There is a reason why single player video games are still popular. It is fun to win!

I play ARPGs, where, I mow down hordes of enemies with a mere mouse click with fun graphics and sound.

Is this cotton candy compared to playing PvP games. Absolutely. I've done serious PvP before. But, after a day of work... sometimes, it is just fun to save the world, or make it burn.

Re: How to learn chess as an adult (2021)

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>Especially at lower levels, chess is a game of short term patterns, not long term strategy. That’s actually wrong. Short-term patterns will improve your chess short-term but you’ll hit the plateau pretty fast. They don’t teach you to play better at chess. It’s like copypasting some code from the Internet without fully understanding how it works. In chess, it’s absolutely necessary to have a long-term plan: especiall…

Fixed formatting of the last part: > - Be a kid. Don't overthink it. It's just a game after all. Feel it. > - Play as many games as possible. You can quickly get enough volume with bullet and blitz. > - Get feedback. You're able to give yourself decent feedback most of the time. Quickly analyze your games yourself or check them with someone, who can tell you what mistakes you have made at your level. Only afterward c…

Thanks, fixed!

Re: How to learn chess as an adult (2021)

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Great article. I got into chess recently, and I can only recommend the "Learn chess with Dr. Wolf" app. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/learn-chess-with-dr-wolf/id135... It's got a beautiful UI, and it's a conversational chess tutor that goes over the basics, tactics, advanced strategy and with whom you can play and will point out mistakes and blunders for later review. Perhaps it is too basic for anybody that has a fe…

Can anyone recommend a similar app/site for learning go? That one feels so hard to learn, but it is so fun. the games really feel like a conversation

There are good suggestions on the sidebar of the go subreddit.

Re: How to learn chess as an adult (2021)

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I had been playing regularly for the past 30 years or so. After I watched "The Queen's Gambit", my rating went up about 100-200 points on Lichess. I was hovering in the 1800-1900 range, and shortly after watching it, I broke 2000 for the first time.

While the series did inspire me to study a little more, I'm pretty sure the result was due to an influx of weaker players who also watched the series, rather than my playing ability. But I still jokingly tell people it made my rating go up.

Re: How to learn chess as an adult (2021)

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Chess at the highest levels is drawish, but we're talking 2500+ FIDE. The vast majority of players aren't near 2500. Memorisation isn't even a problem for most people because most people won't ever be playing at the professional level and even then the amount of memorisation required isn't as much as you're making it out to be. For example: a close friend of mine is an FM and I saw his opening files. He has around 50…

I remember I saw some website which allowed you to select some 960 position and it would show like some commentary on how to proceed as either side and what should be prioritized and showcase past games with the same position, this was like a year or two ago. By middlegame theory, I meant that there is a lot of resources on Chessable that go into middlegame theory of an opening if both sides played early opening by t…

> I remember I saw some website which allowed you to select some 960 position and it would show like some commentary on how to proceed as either side and what should be prioritized and showcase past games with the same position, this was like a year or two ago.

Computer generated? If so, I wouldn't be worried. Besides, imagine this scenario: you search for a 960 game on Lichess right now, you or your opponent have 25 seconds to move. In 25 seconds, you can't input a 960 position into another site and learn theory for that very specific position. If you take longer than 25 seconds to make a move, Lichess aborts the game automatically. It's not possible. 960 is a completely feasible variant if you want to avoid opening theory. Also, a big 960 tournament will be played next year^, so things are getting exciting in the 960 world.

>By middlegame theory, I meant that there is a lot of resources on Chessable that go into middlegame theory of an opening if both sides played early opening by the book, so even middlegame is quite covered in terms of variants and the otherwise general strategy ideas are actually incorporated as part of the theory and studied as such.

I have two things to say to this: 1. you should know the plans and ideas for the middlegames you get because these middlegames arise from your opening repertoire, which you should have already studied (pawn structures, best piece placement, common sacrifices, pawn breaks, etc). 2. as you say the theory is influenced by strategy (and tactics), so if you have a solid strategical foundation (and tactical), you will be fine as long as you're not playing an extremely sharp opening, in which you must know concrete theory. A book I found extremely helpful for strategy was: Mastering Chess Strategy by GM Hellsten.

>As for endgames, I don't think the theory is too difficult but it's also been a situation where people are guided towards books like Dvoretsky's endgame manual and 100 endgames you must know and stuff like that which again is just thrown at you and told to go study it because a lot of the people read these books.

Those books are not for beginners, especially Dvoretsky's Endgame Manual. I agree with you. If I were to recommend an endgame book to a beginner, I would recommend Silman's Endgame Course by IM Silman. You're a strong player, though, so I think you could get a lot out of Dvoretsky's Endgame Manual (at least the grey/blue sections, which Dvoretsky's notes as being the most essential parts).

>Now, generally, I agree, you can play Chess by intuition to a really good level but I've had games where my opponents just told me my moves were sound, made sense and in a way they were "good" but they fell to a part of their preparation theory that was like 8-9 moves deep

What was your opening repertoire?

^ = https://en.chessbase.com/post/freestyle-super-tournament-in-...*

Re: How to learn chess as an adult (2021)

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I mostly played blitz with openings where queen is moved in the first 3 moves and got to ~2000 (no proof, sorry). I didn't study chess at all outside of playing it intensely for 1-2 years. Of course, my end game was also very bad. It was such a frustrating fun I had to stop. There are of course players that know how to fully exploit mistakes in the bad openings, but when you're rated so low, openings rarely matter, e…

> but when you're rated so low, openings rarely matte No way you get to 2000 by cheesing, maybe 1000 max. 2000 rating is not low, it’s top 0.3% on chess.com

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Re: How to learn chess as an adult (2021)

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Good article. A lot of the comments here give bad advice though, which isn’t surprising because they show a lot of common misperceptions about chess. Jeremy Silman has written a couple of books about what is actually important. Quickly, what worked for me when I started playing on chess.com at age 40 after not playing for over twenty years. My rating at age 17 was 1450. Restarted at 1200, and barely progressed at fir…

The question is, is it worth it getting into chess as an adult? What is the appeal? And what additional value does it bring compared to other "productive"/mentally stimulating hobbies?

I think it is better to approach chess as a game (not as a mental exercise). If you enjoy it, play it. Otherwise, don't.

Re: How to learn chess as an adult (2021)

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That's moving the goalposts (pun intended :)): having a wheeled robot with an enclosed (ball protection!) basketball holder slide around the basketball court and extend the basketball holder up to the rim would certainly allow it to beat humans, but it wouldn't really be "playing basketball". We engage in sports because they are fun and explore the limits of our physical and mental abilities (or well, go above our li…

but thats the same as in Chess, Go or even StarCraft: the AI is absolutly impossible to beat for human players unless it has explicit flaws built-in. The general point I want to make is that it doesn't make sense trying to compare humans with AI (and somewhat soon) robots, because the will outperform everyone. Handycapping them is not a solution either. The "amazing versatility" of humans also will not persist for to…

Well, let's agree to disagree about versatility: I don't see non-specialized AI outperforming humans in a number of years (a human will easily beat chess AI at Go).

While I am somewhat impressed by the conversational acumen of recent LLMs, the fact they can produce outright garbage tells me we are as far away from synthesising multiple types of intelligences as ever: humans simply need far smaller input data set to start recognizing patterns and rules (as witnessed by kids learning to speak).

I am not yet convinced we'll live to see something like actual self-driving cars with as much capability as an average human driver: I believe augmented environments are needed (communicating roads, signals and cars) to get to self-driving cars.

The one thing they've got going for them is consistent focus, whereas practical ability in humans significantly depends on the mood, tiredness, level of multitasking...

Re: How to learn chess as an adult (2021)

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The way I got into chess was by doing a couple of lessons using the Chess.com app. Once I learned the basic opening principles, a basic opening for white (Italian) and black (Two Knights), and the phases of the game - the game opened up much more for me. Just knowing to do E4/E5, take center, mobilizing pieces, trying to move pieces once in the opening, etc. improved my game so much. I was making so many bad moves wi…

Yes, in particular you need to learn to develop your pieces. If you don't develop your pieces then you won't have cool tactics to do. Once you learn a basic opening that helps you feel comfortable developing your minor pieces out, castling, and putting your rooks in reasonable places, tactics will start to appear.

Re: How to learn chess as an adult (2021)

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post #81

I don't like losing, I want to always win. That's why I don't play. I've been thinking recently that I should play anyway so that I could grow out of this condition. Any tips for that?

Just play quick unrated blitz games. Then when you lose it doesn't matter for anything. After a while, you will start to think "hmm, it's more fun when I get an opponent who's close to an even match with me". And then you'll just naturally want to play rated games. And if not, that's fine too.
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