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OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired
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Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired
#252Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes these people should all be doing more to feed internet drama! If they don't act soon, HN will have all sorts of wild opinions about what's going on and we can't have that! Even worse, if we don't have near constant updates, we might realize this is not all that important in the end and move on to other news items! I know, I know, I shouldn't jest when this could have grave consequences like changing which uri you…
No serious company wants drama. Hopefully OpenAI is still a serious company. A statement from the CEO/the board is a standard descalation.
> A statement from the CEO/the board is a standard descalation.
Haven't we gotten statements from them? The complaint seems to be that we want statements from them every day (or more) now.
Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired
#253Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You completely destroy a 90b company because of these two reasons? Hanlon's razor aside, maybe that was the intention.
The most chilling line in the open letter is this one, which I haven't heard anyone talking about: > You also informed the leadership team that allowing the company to be destroyed “would be consistent with the mission.”
This could be a genuine stance for them if they are really in the AI danger camp. Not supporting the stance; but i think it's not a self contradictory position
Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired
#254An "Independent" board is supposed to be a good thing, right? Doesn't this clown show show that if a board has no skin in the game --apart from reputation-- they have no incentive to keep the company alive?
They may well have skin in the game, but not this game. That's exactly why you don't want a board member with a potential conflict of interest.
Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired
#2551) Where is Emmett? He's the CEO now. It's his job to be the public face of the company. The company is in an existential crisis and there have been no public statements after his 1AM tweet. 2) Where is the board? At a bare minimum, issue a public statement that you have full faith in the new CEO and the leadership team, are taking decisive action to stabilize the situation, and have a plan to move the company forwar…
Yes these people should all be doing more to feed internet drama! If they don't act soon, HN will have all sorts of wild opinions about what's going on and we can't have that! Even worse, if we don't have near constant updates, we might realize this is not all that important in the end and move on to other news items! I know, I know, I shouldn't jest when this could have grave consequences like changing which uri you…
My favorite hypothesis: Ilya et al suspected emergent AGI (e.g. saw the software doing things unprompted or dangerous and unexpected) and realized the Worldcoin shill is probably not the one you want calling the shots on it.
For the record, I don't think it's true. I think it was a power play, and a failed coup at that. But it's about as substantiated as the "serious" hypotheses being mooted in the media. And it's more fun.
Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired
#256An "Independent" board is supposed to be a good thing, right? Doesn't this clown show show that if a board has no skin in the game --apart from reputation-- they have no incentive to keep the company alive?
It shows nonprofit boards wield outsize power and need strict governance, e.g., conflicts of interest, empty board seats.
All of which should have been covered in the paperwork.
Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired
#257You have to wonder at this point how much of this is the current board members trying to somehow save face. I can’t imagine their careers after this will be easy…
You are far more charitable than I. (I have no idea why I’m worked up. I don’t work at OAI.) They pulled the dumbest virtual corporate hostage crisis, for ostensibly flimsy reasons, and even has mainstream media wondering whether they’re just crazy. People are just begging to know why, and they seemingly have nothing. It’s incredible. Good lord, if there’s a lesson, it’s that these people should never have been nor s…
> I have no idea why I’m worked up
I've been at several startups and several public companies. You rarely hear anything from the board. If that happens, someone really screwed up. Putting myself in the shoes of someone working at OpenAI, I'd be pretty worked-up over this. I guess I'm saying it's out of empathy because this could have been the startup any of us were at.
Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired
#258> One explanation was that Altman was said to have given two people at OpenAI the same project. Have these people never worked at any other company before? Probably every company with more than 10 employees does something like this.
wait so can't SA sue for wrongful termination if everything is as bogus as everyone is saying? same for MS
Employment in California is ‘at will’, which means they can fire him without a reason.
Wrongful termination only applies when someone is fired for illegal reasons, like racial discrimination, or retaliation, for example.
I mean I’m sure they can all sue each other for all kinds of reasons, but firing someone without a good reason isn’t really one of them.
Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired
#259Earlier quoted context omitted.
They would have just forked the code and maybe merged some changes back and forth, no real need for cross-platform code.
This was pre-1983. Forking wasn't a thing at the time. Any kind of code management was cutting edge, and cross-platform shared code wasn't even dreamed of yet.
Fork just means two groups start with the same code and work independently.
It was a thing.
Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired
#260What happens to all the ChatGPT subscribers now? Sign ups are off the table for the foreseeable future I assume.