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Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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post #186

Why are people so excited about Sam and Greg joining Microsoft? The only value Sam brought to OpenAI was connections and being able to bring funding. But that's not something Microsoft needs, so what value does Sam give them?

They're bringing the talent with them, I'm sure that's part of it.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It sounds very out of line of what you'd expect. Except if Sam and Greg have some anti-compete clauses. If they join MS, they have a nice 10 billion USD leverage against any lawsuites.

In California the anti-compete clauses are not enforceable, afaik

It's complicated. In the case of the CEO it is possibly enforceable. But going to the primary funder, after being fired in a move without notification of that same funder? Likely with long complicated contracts that may contemplate the idea of notification of change of executive staff?

I don't know, even of strictly "enforceable" I doubt we will see it enforced. And if so. I'm sure the settlement will be fairly gentle.

Edit: Actually, a quick skim of the relevant code, the only relevant exception seems to be about owners selling their ownership interest. Seemingly, since Sam doesn't own OpenAI shares, this exception would seem to not apply.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio....

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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I don't buy it. If you listen to Sam and Greg, they want to change the world and bring us into a world of abundance that everyone can participate in. They were the ideators of this "awkward non-profit owning a for-profit company".

Microsoft is setup to create shareholder value. That's it. Both of them will eventually find it moot to advance tech so a few folks get richer.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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Can someone help me understand what Sam's actual value is? He doesn't seem to be a particularly important practitioner/researcher re: AI and is "just" a CEO/salesman-evangelist to get funding, which Microsoft doesn't need?

Is he particularly apt at leading/managing research teams? OpenAI's slow productization doesn't imply he's a product/idea guy a la Jobs.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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post #186

Why are people so excited about Sam and Greg joining Microsoft? The only value Sam brought to OpenAI was connections and being able to bring funding. But that's not something Microsoft needs, so what value does Sam give them?

Putting on my lateral thinking hat, by hiring Altman and Brockman they ensure that they cannot compete against them in whatever enterprise they were thinking of doing. It gives the corporation incredible breathing room of at least a year to catch up while also being able to mine them for their knowledge. Additionally they will serve as beacons for hiring devs into their corporation.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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post #213
post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Satya will probably allow them to run a startup under the MS umbrella without interference and with full MS backing.

Highly unlikely. Instead they'll be working on internal Windows AI tools for chatbots and random AI features in Windows. We all lose in this situation.

There’s no chance Sam is joining Microsoft to be some “VP of AI” to drive strategy like that. He’s going to be driving some new business where he’ll be able to move quickly and have a ton of control.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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I don't see why people want to race to build AGI at all costs. On the balance this probably slows things down, so: good. Not sorry about Sam, first off I'm not assuming we know everything and second I'm more inclined to trust the board. Also it seems he was trying to do a secret hardware venture on the side, which would be several kinds of unethical. Again: good.

> I don't see why people want to race to build AGI at all costs.

People will sell their souls and the souls of others for power and greed.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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post #247

What is Sam's actual value re: AI and not just as a CEO/salesman-evangelist to get funding, which Microsoft doesn't need? Is he particularly apt at leading/managing research teams? OpenAI's slow productization doesn't imply he's a product/idea guy a la Jobs.

To pull out engineers from OpenAI?
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