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Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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You can hear Microsoft’s billions going up in flames. You literally couldn’t make this stuff up.

You think Microsoft's investment is going up in flames because OpenAI is moving forward without Sam?

Microsofts CEO doesn’t seem too happy about the board.

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The best talent will leave OpenAI the moment Sam announces his new venture. Deep down builders want to build, and they want to do it as quickly as possible. OpenAI will represent caution. NewCo will represent opportunity. Opportunity wins. This is human nature.

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Not a word from Ilya. I can’t wrap my mind around his motivation. Did he really fire Sam over “AI safety” concerns? How is that remotely rational.

> Did he really fire Sam over "AI safety" concerns? How is that remotely rational. Not rational iff (and unlike Sustkever, Hinton, Bengio) you are not a "doomer" / "decel". Ilya's very vocal and on record that he suspects there may be "something else" going on with these models. He and DeepMind claim AlphaGo is already AGI (correction: ASI) in a very narrow domain ( https://www.arxiv-vanity.com/papers/2311.02462/ ).…

> "[Artificial General Intelligence] in a very narrow domain."

Which is it?

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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I'm actually getting tired of this whole story, jeez. they had an interim CEO: why exactly do they need a new interim CEO? it's been a couple of weekend days, zero business days. Not taking sides, none of this makes any sense, so much drama. hypothesis: there's too much money on the table, and inasmuch as some people care more about the public welfare than money, too much of that too (meaning, a lot of money in somet…

The other interim ceo turned on the board and supported Sam I think.

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OpenAI has hundreds more employees, all of whom are incredibly smart. While they will definitely lose the leadership and talent of those two, it’s not as if a nuclear bomb dropped on their HQ and wiped out all their engineers! So questioning whether they will survive seems very silly and incredibly premature to me

Pretty much every researcher I know at OpenAI who are on twitter re-tweeted Sam Atlman's heart tweet with their own heart or some other supportive message. I'm sure that's a sign that they are all team Sam - this includes a ton of researchers you see on most papers that came out of OpenAI. That's a good chunk of their research team and that'd be a very big loss. Also there are tons of engineers (and I know a few of t…

The heart tweet rebellion is about as meaningful as adding a hashtag supporting one side of your favorite conflict.

Come on. “By 5 pm everyone will quit if you don’t do x”. Response: tens of heart emojis.

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post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can someone explain to me what they mean by "safe" AGI? I've looked in many places and everyone is extremely vague. Certainly no one is suggesting these systems can become "alive", so what exactly are we trying to remain safe from? Job loss?

Death. The default consequence of AGI's arrival is doom. Aligning a super intelligence with our desires is a problem that no one has solved yet. "The AI does not hate you, nor does it love you, but you are made out of atoms which it can use for something else." ---- Listen to Dwarkesh Podcast with Eliezer or Carl Shulman to know more about this.

Perhaps listen to this podcast instead.

https://www.matthewgeleta.com/p/joscha-bach-ai-risk-and-the-...

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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I don't know if you're misogynist but her qualifications are fine. She's not CEO anymore because she wanted Sam and Greg back not because she somehow failed her 1 day duties.

I'm not disputing her qualifications but going to war against the board is failing your duties. In a for profit it can work if you have your shareholders on your side but it's clear here that this maneuver can't work.

Needless pedantry. Incompetence isn't the reason she's out is the point anymore than incompetence is the reason Sam is out.
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