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Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by I_am_tiberius »

brianjking wrote: post #241
I_am_tiberius wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the person who decided that the settings (disable usage for training data) and (save prompts) can't be individually controlled. Also that the default is that your data is used for training purposes. Both are clear indications that privacy was no importance to them.

You can opt out of training and keep your history turned on in the privacy center. You fill out a form and indicate your country of residence.

Which privacy center? I only have settings. And in settings there is the sub-category Data controls where I disable "Chat history & training".

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by cowl »

robswc wrote: post #213

Can a super smart business-y person educate this engineer on how this even happens. So, if there's 6 board members and they're looking to "take down" 2... that means those 2 can't really participate, right? Or at the very least, they have to "recuse" themselves on votes regarding them? Do the 4 members have to organize and communicate "in secret"? Is there any reason 3 members can't hold a vote to oust 1, making it a…

Could have been only Sam that was under Vote and Greg being forced to step down after he voted in his favour maybe in a second vote later.

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Post by astrange »

lenerdenator wrote: post #202
26fingies wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No I don’t think that’s what happened at all. Also memorizing code and rewriting it is very much IP theft.

Is it? Seriously, I’m asking. Like… if you were an engineer that worked on UNIX System V at AT&T/Bell Labs and contributed code to the BSDs from memory alone, would you really be liable?

It is not a copyright issue unless you typed out the exact code from memory. It could be a patent issue if it behaves the same way.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by astrange »

sheepscreek wrote: post #234
lenerdenator wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it? Seriously, I’m asking. Like… if you were an engineer that worked on UNIX System V at AT&T/Bell Labs and contributed code to the BSDs from memory alone, would you really be liable?

GPT and transformer code has been open sourced many times over by different companies. The weights and the operational model is where the IP really is. This will include the architecture for distributing training and inference at this scale. That said m, any developer and scientist worth their salt will be able to replicate it from memory - without having to copy stuff over 1:1. So unless any of the necessary bits ar…

> Sometimes the contracts can include a cool-down period before a person can seek employment in the same industry/niche, I don’t think that will apply in Sam’s case - as he was a founder.

It's very difficult to enforce anything like this in California. They can pay him to not work, but can't just require it.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by robswc »

0xDEF wrote: post #246
robswc wrote: post #213

Can a super smart business-y person educate this engineer on how this even happens. So, if there's 6 board members and they're looking to "take down" 2... that means those 2 can't really participate, right? Or at the very least, they have to "recuse" themselves on votes regarding them? Do the 4 members have to organize and communicate "in secret"? Is there any reason 3 members can't hold a vote to oust 1, making it a…

>Can a super smart business-y person educate this engineer on how this even happens. There is nothing business-y about this. As a non-profit OpenAI can do whatever they want.

Well, there has to be some sort of framework in which they operate, no?

OpenAI isn't a single person, so decisions like firing the CEO have to be made somehow. I'm wondering about how that framework actually works.

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Post by grpt »

malinens wrote: post #228
grpt wrote: post #19

Hope they fire the person that forced verified phone numbers on new accounts.

Verifying phone number is one of the last things which is still effective when fighting against bot registrations. Alternative is to ask money for registration. Here is idea for hacker news crowd: make service which is a proxy for phone number validation: user needs to validate his phone number once in that app and any other 3rd-party service can ask this app for security code which confirms phone number ownership. W…

> Alternative is to ask money for registration.

I'm 100% ok with this. I have the choice of using a Visa/MC gift card I bought with cash. Same as I can do with Netflix. Better than linking a unique ID I use everywhere else.

I think what bugs me the most is that there's no direct need for the phone. It's reasonable to give my phone number to a doctor's office because I need to hear from them over the phone.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by nothrowaways »

duringmath wrote: post #126
jeron wrote: post #106

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the theory that Altman did something in bad faith means that it might not be a disagreement but it's something that forced Sutskever to vote against Sam

The theory is Altman gave his eye scanning crypto company early access to openAI tech without telling anyone and what ensued is just FAFO in action.

No way, no Sam - crypto scandal again.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by philipov »

cldellow wrote: post #109
DavidSJ wrote: post #3

This suggests that Greg Brockman wasn't in the board meeting that made the decision, and only "learned the news" that he was off the board the same way the rest of us did.

You've put "learned the news" in quote, but what Greg Brockman wrote was "based on today's news". That could simply mean that he disagreed with the outcome and is expressing that disagreement by quitting. EDIT: Derp. I was reading the note he wrote to OpenAI staff. The tweet itself says "After learning today's news" -- still ambiguous as to when and where he learned the news.

It's all very ambiguous, but if he had been there for the board meeting where he was removed, I imagine he would have quit then and it would have been in the official announcement. It comes across like he didn't quit until after the announcement had already been made.

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Post by welpo »

liuliu wrote: post #49
Waterluvian wrote: post #20

Is there some weird chic thing where you intentionally don’t use capital letters? What is up with that behaviour? Is it some cute attempt at saying “an AI didn’t write this”?

Maybe auto-correction is off because you need to type too much acroynms and jargons and auto-correction is annoying?

Unlikely. They are separate settings both on iOS and Android.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Post by andrewstuart2 »

robswc wrote: post #213

Can a super smart business-y person educate this engineer on how this even happens. So, if there's 6 board members and they're looking to "take down" 2... that means those 2 can't really participate, right? Or at the very least, they have to "recuse" themselves on votes regarding them? Do the 4 members have to organize and communicate "in secret"? Is there any reason 3 members can't hold a vote to oust 1, making it a…

It's a comedy but I feel like I learned a lot about SV and VC/board culture from watching HBO's Silicon Valley.
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