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Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by panzagl »

collegeburner wrote: post #110
system16 wrote: post #38

> This will work alongside iMessage, which will continue to be the best and most secure messaging experience for Apple users," said an Apple spokesperson. I could be wrong but I don’t see anything here to suggest non-iMessages will no longer have the “green bubble” like the author assumes.

it will remain green, which means the signaling effect will also remain. the funny thing is everyone claims it's down to quality but guessing it won't matter, plus no 8ball/facetime will still push people towards iphones. especially w young ppl, where i think like 90% have iphones. if i had a nickel for every time a gal mentioned green bubbles give her the ick, i wouldn't be rich but could probably buy a solid steak…

Unfortunately you'd be eating that dinner by yourself....

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by SllX »

viraptor wrote: post #237

I wonder what's the play here. They seem to make noise about RCS recently and give it attention, even though it seems they'll be forced by the EU to open up the iMessage system soon. Apple is not known for Google's "let's have 5 different communication apps at the same time", so... what's happening here?

Probably the angle is to find some way to tell the EU to get stuffed as far as opening iMessage up goes.

Apple only has to comply with the law. The issue is that the EC is on a high right now trying to see how far they can enforce control over US tech companies, so they might just go back and double down with more legislation if Apple finds a way to comply with the law without complying with the outcome the EC actually wanted.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by vineyardmike »

viraptor wrote: post #237

I wonder what's the play here. They seem to make noise about RCS recently and give it attention, even though it seems they'll be forced by the EU to open up the iMessage system soon. Apple is not known for Google's "let's have 5 different communication apps at the same time", so... what's happening here?

There’s probably a few things at play.

First, not every iPhone user can be iMessage-only and SMS is a shitty experience. In most non-US countries, they’re not winning the iMessage shame battle, they’re driving people to WhatsApp. They’d probably rather people use the built in messaging app, which will incentivize you to use iMessage.

Secondly, getting more involved gives them opportunities to embrace/extinguish rcs (they said they won’t extend it). If they can use their market to force encryption on everyone, for example, that makes them look like the good guys against android makers. I could also see them trying to genuinely push UX improvements (eg stickers) on RCS and exiting iMessage from European Markets entirely.

Finally, If the EU forces open iMessage, it’ll probably force open other messaging services, which gives RCS an opportunity to grow. See point 1 about them losing already in Europe. Or gives Apple a horse in the race even if they simply withdraw iMessage instead of opening it up.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by willseth »

criddell wrote: post #222
willseth wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does E2EE RCS even exist, or is that just Google bolting E2EE over RCS for users of their specific Messages app?

Google added it. I can’t imagine all of the carriers cooperating on key management. That’s probably why some carriers have opted to use Google’s solution instead of their own. I would guess encryption isn’t an option if your carrier isn’t in this group. FWIW, the 350+ page standard is here: https://www.gsma.com/futurenetworks/wp-content/uploads/2019/...

AFAICT Google Messages is simply encrypting the data sent over RCS, i.e. RCS is dumb pipes for the encrypted data, and the carries don't explicitly cooperate one way or another. The consequence would be that only users of Google Messages are able to send and receive encrypted messages to/from Google Messages, not other RCS compatible messaging apps. Pretty ironic given the context.

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Post by justsomehnguy »

sbuk wrote: post #190
bloppe wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm mostly just talking about the noxious white-on-green color they chose for cross-platform chat bubbles. It's a great example of hostile architecture. RCS fixes the cost / reliability problems of SMS, so that annoying color choice will be the only thing they have left to make imessage users feel superior.

Historically, SMS messages have had green bubbles since the iPhone was introduced in 2007. When Apple introduced iMessage in 2011, the showed iMessages in blue, and maintained the green for SMS messages. They are not “cross-platform” messages, Messages only does SMS and iMessage. If you did some reading, instead of getting upset over the longstanding colour of a chat message, you’d know this and not be so angry. Or,…

https://css-tricks.com/apple-messages-color-contrast/

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Post by filoleg »

thedaly wrote: post #215
collegeburner wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it will remain green, which means the signaling effect will also remain. the funny thing is everyone claims it's down to quality but guessing it won't matter, plus no 8ball/facetime will still push people towards iphones. especially w young ppl, where i think like 90% have iphones. if i had a nickel for every time a gal mentioned green bubbles give her the ick, i wouldn't be rich but could probably buy a solid steak…

> green bubbles give her the ick I mean, I guess I would be grateful to have such an earlier indicator that someone is not worth pursuing. Truly, who cares.

It’s not that they would reject you if they already had some sort of a connection formed with you or that they consider having “green bubbles”to be an absolute dealbreaker. But if you have 5 similarly good on paper dating candidates, you are in the very initial stage of the process with them, and you need to narrow down the list, I don’t think it is that unreasonable to do so based on “the ease of texting.” You gotta narrow down somehow, and if doing so based on “green bubbles” eliminates 1-2 max out of 5 in the very initial stage, it is kind of a not that terrible of a metric. If it was eliminating half or more, it would be a bit more questionable.

Of course, eliminating someone for “green bubbles” after you had already developed some interest in is way too much and is indeed a trait that would make one not worth pursuing.

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Post by hyperbovine »

ghodith wrote: post #219
Spooky23 wrote: post #202

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Nobody does, it’s a bitchy trope. Green bubbles matter in group chats. You can’t easily change participants and stuff like reactions generate junk messages.

Very much not a trope. I personally know multiple people who refuse to text green bubbles, to the point of refusing dates from people who have Android.

This is not even among the top five weirdest things I have heard some base a dating decision on. People are complicated.

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Post by tomjen3 »

wolpoli wrote: post #71
alexb_ wrote: post #2

> This is not Apple opening up iMessage to other platforms. Instead, it’s the company adopting RCS separately from iMessage. Very important.

Speaking of opening up to other platforms due to Digital Markets Act: maybe we'll finally get FaceTime as an open industry standard at some point?

That would be an interesting chance: buy an iPhone and get it with the hardware, or download and app and pay Apple a subscription. I wonder how many Android users would be willing to pay the subscription?

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Post by filoleg »

jmull wrote: post #198
sonicanatidae wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love when people comment on the color of a text message. It makes it real easy to know who to block, because they worry about entirely the wrong things.

If you socially exclude someone because they care about the color of text message bubbles, don't you care at least as much as they do? More, probably, because if they just mention it and you block them, that's disproportionate.

> If you socially exclude someone because they care about the color of text message bubbles, don't you care at least as much as they do?

The grandparent comment is talking about excluding people for wasting their time going on rants about message bubble colors, not about excluding those with a “wrong” message bubble color.

And no, caring about not having to waste time on listening to someone who cares entirely too much about message bubble colors doesn’t mean that you care as much as they do about it.

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