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Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by alberth »

LoganDark wrote: post #248
alberth wrote: post #219

> "Today we are announcing the general availability of the WORLD'S FIRST commercial cloud computer" (emphasis mine) I'm having a hard time getting past the first sentence of this blog post. Maybe I'm missing the obvious.

They're selling a rack that hosts an entire virtual cloud. Nobody has done that yet. There have been servers with hypervisors preinstalled, but nothing like this.

Oracle, AWS & Azure all have "Cloud at Customer" offerings.

And these offerings have existed for years.

And from hardware manufacturers, Dell/VCE, Nutanix, and more "hyper-converged" infra has existed.

Note: I'm not being a hater. I'm just genuinely confused.

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https://www.oracle.com/cloud/cloud-at-customer/

https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/products/azure-stack

https://aws.amazon.com/outposts/

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by zozbot234 »

zeckalpha wrote: post #115
steve1977 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So just hyperconverged infrastructure with a cute name?

Mainframes!

"Real" mainframes have RAS (Reliability, Availability, Servicing) features such as hotswapping for all hardware components and automated HA/workload migration across physical racks. They can also do SSI (single system image), i.e. run a single workload across physical nodes/racks as if it was just multiple 'cores' in a single shared-memory computer. Oxide computers will probably end up doing at least some of this (namely workload migration across racks for HA) but saying that it can comprehensively replace mainframe hardware as-is is a bit of a stretch. In terms of existing hardware it's closer to a midrange computer.

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by keepamovin »

dewey wrote: post #246
keepamovin wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting, it's almost double in SV the cost of Berlin! How much salary do you think should allocate to base and how much toward any location adjustments, in general?

I can't answer that, but there's some companies that do all that in public: - https://handbook.gitlab.com/handbook/total-rewards/compensat... - https://www.checklyhq.com/blog/open-sourcing-our-pay-calcula... - https://buffer.com/salary-calculator

Hey, nice resources, man! Thank you. No worries that you can't decide on the amounts, it's OK :)

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by chx »

bigironcto wrote: post #241

I am CTO of a large global data center provider posting with throwaway account. As a technologist, I really appreciate what they have done. Impressive work, high quality, however I don't understand who this is for. The meaningful market for Data Center hardware is pretty well defined in two clusters. People that build/make custom gear (such as Hyperscalers) and people that buys HP/Cisco/IBM/Dell... (blades or hyper-c…

Maybe you are not. This offering definitely sounds like something for on prem and not a large data center. Basically, if your core competence is hosting stuff you don't need the extra value they provide. But if your core competence is basically anything else and just need more than a single server under the IT guys' desk then this begins to look very exciting.

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by dgb23 »

caymanjim wrote: post #134
keepamovin wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly, man! That's the way it should be done. It's not a company's business to decide how much your life should cost. It's its business to reward you for the value you provide, and that value is not tethered to your location, so neither should be your salary!

Except if everyone gets paid the same, you're not being rewarded for the value you provide. I don't think salary should be tied to location, but it should be tied to experience, ability, and effort.

> I don't think salary should be tied to location, but it should be tied to experience, ability, and effort.

That's the labor theory of value (see: Smith, Marx), which in theory sounds meritocratic but it can't really be measured or assessed.

In reality compensation either becomes a function of power, social currency and negotiation skills, which is the general norm in professions, or you have an institutionalized, perhaps even democratic process to determine salaries. Both of these variants generate overhead and are only approximations to what anyone would see as fair.

The variant here where everyone gets the same, generous piece of a pie seems refreshingly simple and honest. I would also assume that it attracts the right kind of people, who are intrinsically motivated (at least after the threshold of a very high level of comfort is reached.)

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by e12e »

jpdb wrote: post #22

I really wish oxide had a Homelab/consumer centric offering! Spec wise, some low power systems like an Intel NUC, LattePanda Sigma, or Zimaboard. You could fit 3/4 of them in a single 1u with a shared power supply. They could even offer a full 1u with desktop grade chips on the same sleds. I have thought about building one myself, but it's a large investment of time that I can't seem to find lately.

It would be great if Oxide had something like Canonical's "Orange Box"/cloud-in-a-box for homelabs, evaluation, training (in the management bits) - and hobby work loads!

https://canonical.com/blog/jumpstart-training-with-the-orang...

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/06/hands...

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by bigironcto »

apendleton wrote: post #249
bigironcto wrote: post #241

I am CTO of a large global data center provider posting with throwaway account. As a technologist, I really appreciate what they have done. Impressive work, high quality, however I don't understand who this is for. The meaningful market for Data Center hardware is pretty well defined in two clusters. People that build/make custom gear (such as Hyperscalers) and people that buys HP/Cisco/IBM/Dell... (blades or hyper-c…

I think they're mostly targeting customers who want an AWS- or GCP-like experience from a developer perspective (compute is abstracted and you can provision it with an API, etc.), but want to own their own compute infrastructure and have it on-prem. That market has mostly had to cobble together consumer-inspired HP/Cisco/whatever stuff historically (like, one of the early talks about the Oxide value proposition was c…

Thank you for the response. The problem you described has been solved by the large vendors with Hyper-converged offerings for many years so it sounds like Oxide might be a bit late to the party.

I do understand well the rational of running your own servers vs hyperscalers, as well as the repatriation trend but I see Oxide at best as a niche player.

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