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Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by brandall10 »

pedalpete wrote: post #249

Does anyone else have no idea what macOS version is which? Which came first? Is there some hidden naming protocol that I just don't grasp? I've only started using a mac part-time while I've been developing an iOS app over the past few weeks, and I keep seeing different names for the OS version. I have no idea what version I'm on, or if Big Sur came before Sierra, or what. I know I could look it up, but it seems that…

It says the in the "About This Mac" Apple menu item. In this case, it will be Sonoma 14.0.

Historically versioning is weird due to the integration of NextSTEP after Job's return to the company. First it was versioned up to 9, then the NextSTEP integration was 10, then subsequent major releases were minor bumps (ie 10.1, 10.2) as OSX was a brand unto itself until 11 which rebranded to MacOS and full versions were used again. So Sonoma is the 14th release from the NextSTEP integration. I think referring to them by names eased the confusion some.

This gives a good rundown:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS_version_history

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by Affric »

capableweb wrote: post #125
thfuran wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it doesn't work. It isn't present. There's basically no window management.

I mean, it is present. Just because it's not as advanced as you'd like it to be, doesn't mean it's not there. You can move windows, you can cycle between different active windows, you can minimize windows and so on. That's window management. Yes, super basic, but so is most features of Apple software. Simple, basic and without customization, just like how many Apple users like their software.

Stage manager was a mistake.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by kstrauser »

leipert wrote: post #230
kstrauser wrote: post #175

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It works on my iPhone. To be clear, I'm not a Kagi support person or anything, and also not arguing that anyone's wrong for saying it's not working for them. Just saying, it is working for some people on Mac and iPhone, so it's not totally borked.

True. I just followed the instructions again and it is working. Apparently I had to allow access on all websites again and change the search engine from DDG to Google for the extension to work.

Interesting! I wouldn't have suspected the DDG part. I'll keep that in mind if it ever causes problems here.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by chatmasta »

pedalpete wrote: post #249

Does anyone else have no idea what macOS version is which? Which came first? Is there some hidden naming protocol that I just don't grasp? I've only started using a mac part-time while I've been developing an iOS app over the past few weeks, and I keep seeing different names for the OS version. I have no idea what version I'm on, or if Big Sur came before Sierra, or what. I know I could look it up, but it seems that…

No, I have no clue. I don't even know my current version (number nor codename). But when I need to check, I click the Apple logo in the top left, "about this mac," note the version number and then search Google for "latest macOS version" (it took a long time to break the habit of typing "OS X").

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by astrange »

justoreply wrote: post #75
capableweb wrote: post #35

I still don't understand why Apple is so bent on coupling application updates together with OS updates. I just want the new changes to Safari and Notes while I don't care about the other changes, why not have Safari be a normal application downloaded from the App Store, like the rest of us pleebs have to do when publishing apps?

I have a company-provided mac, I don't have an App Store account as it requires a phone number (and I'm not going to use my personal phone number to register it, it is not even allowed by policy) so I'm not going to update any app via the store

Your company could use Apple Business Manager/Managed Apple ID if they wanted to.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by chatmasta »

ThePowerOfFuet wrote: post #129
nelsonfigueroa wrote: post #5

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Good to know! I was debating whether or not I should wait for a *.1 update.

This is NEVER a bad idea.

It's a bad idea for release schedules that don't backport security patches to earlier major versions, but luckily that doesn't apply to Apple.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by astrange »

jcelerier wrote: post #231
headwayoldest wrote: post #227

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Ultimately users will go where the package maintainers are. There are more people out there willing and able to write Ruby today than Perl (Fink) or TCL (MacPorts). I'm sure someone will start a macOS package manager based on python and yum to signal the waning days of those technologies.

I'm secretly hoping for a makepkg / pacman-based replacement to homebrew, to have the same set of commands and package naming conventions across mac / win / linux

Wasn't there one? I know there is Nix for macOS, though it's probably not very maintained.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by cauthon »

climb_stealth wrote: post #242
cglong wrote: post #188

So it goes... Warning: You are using macOS 11. We (and Apple) do not provide support for this old version. It is expected behaviour that some formulae will fail to build in this old version. It is expected behaviour that Homebrew will be buggy and slow. Do not create any issues about this on Homebrew's GitHub repositories. Do not create any issues even if you think this message is unrelated. Any opened issues will be…

Oh oh, it's getting closer. Currently on MacOS 12 with my trusted 2015 Macbook Pro. It still goes strong, but looks like the next major release may see the end of homebrew for this one. There's really no issue with this computer other than 16gb of RAM being a bit tight when every modern app is using Electron. Oh well, see how we go.

Fedora mostly works out of the box on my 2015 MBP

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by Affric »

itsoktocry wrote: post #91
diebeforei485 wrote: post #41

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Not really. Consumer behavior is not what technical people expect it to be. The main reason people update their phone OS is for new emoji. People love this stuff.

> The main reason people update their phone OS is for new emoji I can't avoid the anecdata game, so: what generation are you? I don't know a single person who would update their phone for a new emoji.

Millenial (mid)... and know even Gen Xers and Boomers who would upgrade for new emoji.

OS to many consumers (and consumer extends even to web developers/data scientists) means graphical shell.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by KerrAvon »

pupppet wrote: post #211

Every time a new MacOS version is announced the 1Password staff must be all sitting around praying Apple doesn't add any more bells and whistles to Keychain.

I doubt they care about Mac customers. If they did, they would have avoided ruining the app's UI so that customers don't have a good reason to jump ship at the first opportunity.
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