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We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by adroniser »

thfuran wrote: post #210
adroniser wrote: post #69

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I keep feeling that consciousness is a bit of a red herring when it comes to AI. People have intuitions that things other than humans cannot develop consciousness which they then extrapolate to thinking AI can't get past a certain intelligence level. In fact my view is that consciousness is just a mysterious side effect of the human brain, and is completely irrelevant to the behaviour of a human. You can be intellige…

Unless you think that consciousness is entirely a post hoc process to rationalize thoughts already had and decisions already made, which is very much unlike how most people would describe their experience of it, I don't see how you could possibly say that it is irrelevant to the behavior of a human.

I'm saying someone would behave the exact same way if they did have subjective experience versus if they didn't have a subjective experience. The brain obeys physical laws just like everything else and I claim that all you need is those physical laws to explain everything a human does. I could be wrong there could be some magic fairy dust inside the human brain that performs some impossible computations but I doubt it.

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Post by londons_explore »

ilaksh wrote: post #174
Closi wrote: post #150

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They have gone from being a niche research company to being (probably) the fastest growing start-up in history. I suspect they do care about communicating with customers, but it's total chaos and carnage internally.

Maybe there is a state somewhere between "total chaos and carnage" and "emails users when new features are enabled for their account". Such as "decided it wasn't an operational priority to email users when features were enabled for them".

Emailing users when a new feature is enabled for their account isn't even the kind of thing that would distract an existing very busy developer.

You could literally hire an entirely new guy, give him instructions to build such an email system, and let him put the right triggers on the user account permissions database to send out the right emails at the right time.

And then, when it's built, you can start adding more features like sending the emails only when demand is low and/or at times of day when you get the best click through rate. And then next you can start measuring the increase in revenue from sending those emails.

Before long, you have a whole marketing and comms team. Which you probably want as a big company anyway.

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Post by dslowell »

dmd wrote: post #49
NikolaNovak wrote: post #31

I'm in IT but nowhere near AI/ML/NN. The speed of user-visible progress last 12 months is astonishing. From my firm conviction 18 months ago that this type of stuff is 20+ years away; to these days wondering if Vernon Vinge's technological singularity is not only possible but coming shortly. If feels some aspects of it have already hit the IT world - it's always been an exhausting race to keep up with modern technolo…

I also don't believe LLMs are "conscious", but I also don't know what that means, and I have yet to see a definition of "statistically guessing next word" that cannot be applied to what a human brain does to generate the next word.

You can see the difference if you know where to poke. For instance, if you start making spatial abstractions ChatGPT will often make mistakes, you can point it out, they can explain why it's a mistake, but it has no internalized model of what these words mean, so it keeps making the same mistakes (see here for a better idea of what I'm talking about[1]). The fact that you are interacting with it through text means that a lot of the missing abstractions are often hidden.

[1] https://twitter.com/LowellSolorzano/status/16444387969250385...

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Post by c_crank »

apexalpha wrote: post #66
palata wrote: post #56

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> The only downside is that it now make me feel bad that I'm not doing anything with it yet. If that's the only downside that you see... I guess enhanced phishing/impersonation and all the blackhat stuff that come with it don't count. I for one already miss the time where companies had support teams made of actual people.

I work as a ethical hacker, so I'm well aware of the phishing and impersonation possibilities. But the net positive is so, so much bigger for society that I'm sure we'll figure it out. And yes, in 20 years you can tell your kids that 'back in my day' support consisted of real people. But truthfully, as someone who worked on a ISP helpdesk it's much better for society if these people move on to more productive areas.

The positives of easy translation seem outweighed by the negatives of giving biolabs easy protein hacking.

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clbrmbr wrote: post #33
clbrmbr wrote: post #18

The thought of my children being put to bed by a machine is horrifying. Then again, perhaps this is better than many kids have. Shudder.

And then the wedding speech. What are they thinking over there at OpenAI? This is supposed to be a productivity enhancer, not a way to outsource the most meaningful applications of human language…

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Post by graemep »

xnorswap wrote: post #75
ChatGTP wrote: post #61

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I still don't understand how you can talk to something that doesn't provide factual information and just take it at face value? The other day I asked it about the place I live and it made up nonsense, I was trying to get it to help me with an essay and it was just wrong, it was telling me things about this region that weren't real. Do we just drive through a town, ask for a made up history about it and just be satisf…

> how you can talk to something that doesn't provide factual information and just take it at face value Like talking to most people you mean?

No individual is "most people". Most of the time I spend talking to people in real life is with people whose professional expertise, hobbies, and other sources of knowledge I know at least roughly. I have an idea how good they are at evaluating what they know and how honest they and whether they are prone to wishful thinking.

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Post by c_crank »

andrewinardeer wrote: post #91

Now just throw this into a humanoid looking robot with fine motor skills and we are halfway to a dystopian hellscape that is now only years away instead of decades. What a time to be alive.

What would make it dystopian would be if this humanoid robot was then granted rights. As a servant, it could be useful.

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Post by nwoli »

Closi wrote: post #150
joshstrange wrote: post #135

My biggest complaint with OpenAI/ChatGPT is their horrible "marketing" (for lack of a better term). They announce stuff like this (or like plugins), I get excited, I go to use it, it hasn't rolled out to me yet (which is frustrating as a paying customer), and my only recourse is.... check back daily? They never send an email "Plugins are available for you!", "Voice chat is now enabled on your account!" and so often I…

They have gone from being a niche research company to being (probably) the fastest growing start-up in history. I suspect they do care about communicating with customers, but it's total chaos and carnage internally.

At what point to you go from startup to not when you have 10 billion invested and countless employees and is practically a sub branch of microsoft. Sounds cooler though I guess

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Post by notamy »

ChatGTP wrote: post #45
clbrmbr wrote: post #18

The thought of my children being put to bed by a machine is horrifying. Then again, perhaps this is better than many kids have. Shudder.

I actually think that what is sad is that it seems as if having viable future as a creative visual artist is likely done. This was a major, major, major outlet and sanctuary for certain types of people to find meaning and fulfillment in their life which is now in the process of being wiped out for a quick buck. We'll be told by OpenAI and friends is that it shouldn't be a problem, because those were mundane tasks and…

Imo it seems this is what generative AI currently optimises for — cutting the humans out of the creative/similar processes. It’s depressing, and I fully understand why artists of all sorts get upset about it. Especially because many tech people often seem to be okay with ignoring copyright/licensing and arguably hurting people’s livelihood right up until GitHub ingests GPL code for Copilot and suddenly copyright and licensing matter.

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Post by mordymoop »

reqo wrote: post #44
pc_edwin wrote: post #23

I just don't understand how they can package all of this for $20/m. Is compute really that cheap at scale? I also wonder how Apple (& Google) is going be able to provide this for free? I would love to be fly in the meetings they have about this, imagine all the innovators dilemma like discussions they'd be forced to have (we have to do this vs this will eat up our margins). This might be a little out there but I thin…

Compute is not cheap! I think it is well known (Altman himself has said this) that openAI is burning a lot of money currently, but they are fine for now considering the 10B investment from MSFT and the revenue from subscription and API. It's a critical moment for AI companies and openAI is trying to get as large a share of the market as they can by undercutting virtually any other commercial model and offering 10x th…

Additionally, compute has the unique property of becoming cheaper per-unit at a rate that isn’t comparable to any other commodity. GPT-4 itself gets cheaper to run the moment the next generation of chips comes out. Unlike, for example, Uber, the business environment and unit economics just naturally become more favorable the more time passes. By taking the lead in this space, they have secured mindshare which will actually increase in value with time as costs decline.

Of course bigger (and thus more expensive-to-run) models will be released later, but I trust OAI to navigate that curve.

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