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He's saying the miners wouldn't accept it either, but any organized attempt to change it was broken up by a private army.
That seems like it wouldn't work if you had a government capable of anything so basic as enforcing the preexisting laws against acts of violence.
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People were definitely not fine with it but whenever they tried to do something about it the owner class sent the army and massacred them https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludlow_Massacre
Yeah, the operators of company towns were violent pricks who didn't much like it that workers increasingly had better options than to die in a mine. That didn't change the economics though. Neither did committing violence against them, which was not only already illegal even then but also wildly unpopular. There's nothing better for workers than a competitive market. What's the boss going to do when the workers have…
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> If theyre smart they won't take this shit either. What do you suppose the chances are of 100% of other countries imposing a similar tax on this type of food? > Nice of you to let Americans sacrifice their health on $othercountry's behalf though. Stop subsidizing it and you don't have to tax the subsidy back out.
>What do you suppose the chances are of 100% of other countries imposing a similar tax Quite high. Agricultural dumping is typically frowned upon even more than regular dumping. Half of the reason for the WTO's existence was to get countries to stop being so trigger happy about doing this.
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Yeah, the operators of company towns were violent pricks who didn't much like it that workers increasingly had better options than to die in a mine. That didn't change the economics though. Neither did committing violence against them, which was not only already illegal even then but also wildly unpopular. There's nothing better for workers than a competitive market. What's the boss going to do when the workers have…
Get legislation passed like “right to work”, conspire with other business leaders to suppress worker wages/benefits, make striking illegal, etc etc etc.
The only reason you need to strike is if there isn't any other employer offering better terms that you can go work for instead. Otherwise you can just threaten to quit unless they meet your terms and actually do it if they don't.
Conspiracies only work if the market is concentrated enough; if there are ten thousand employers and it's easy to start a new one then you're not going to be able to hold together a secret illegal cartel.
None of those actually work in a competitive market.
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That seems like it wouldn't work if you had a government capable of anything so basic as enforcing the preexisting laws against acts of violence.
They were plenty capable. They didn’t want to.
If the government isn't enforcing the law, what good is a new law for them to not enforce?
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All good, but you still had to get in the jibe about '"free" healthcare' for reasons that have nothing to do with either TFA or the GP's point.
It's not a gibe. I used scare quotes around free because it's obvious that a socialized system is funded by taxes, what's not obvious a bill is always generated during healthcare delivery in the Canadian system. You yourself seem to not understand this distinction with your comment: "no charge at the point of service" . There is always a charge at the point of service and a bill is generated. The difference with the…
I was thinking more broadly than just the US or Canada. In Scotland, for example, there is literally no charge at the point of service.
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I've got a 3M full-face respirator as well, and I agree. I've worn it with P100 filters for 8+ hours (minus breaks to drink water) doing hard work in uncomfortable conditions many times, and never found the respirator to be a burden. They're a little pricey up front, but I figured it was cheap overall compared to the long-term costs of using something less effective. Having eye protection integrated as well is ideal,…
I got one of their FF400 face shield respirators to do lead paint removal and spent dozens of hours in unconditioned spaces with a tyvek suit. They are extremely well designed and never fog because the inhaled air passes first through the face mask area and then through one-way valves into the mouth/nose section and is exhausted downward at the front of the mouth/nose area.
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It never leaves your lungs though. In the last 20 years we went from "dust masks are for wimps" to "wow not wearing PPE is terrible". One small silver lining of covid is that even relatively oblivious home owners even wear PPE for small projects now. Smoking OR inhaling large amounts of dust might not kill you, but both are bound to make you miserable later in life. There is already a steep drop off in lung cancer de…
Metalworking apprentice here, I started wearing a respirator regularly after seeing the gunk cleaned out of my nasal passages by using a neti pot.
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They were plenty capable. They didn’t want to.
If the government is enforcing the law, they can't do that because it has been illegal for a thousand years. If the government isn't enforcing the law, what good is a new law for them to not enforce?
There's a stronger record of laws preventing a government from acting against workers and ones permitting workers to take matters into their own hands.
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It's not a gibe. I used scare quotes around free because it's obvious that a socialized system is funded by taxes, what's not obvious a bill is always generated during healthcare delivery in the Canadian system. You yourself seem to not understand this distinction with your comment: "no charge at the point of service" . There is always a charge at the point of service and a bill is generated. The difference with the…
> There is always a charge at the point of service and a bill is generated. I was thinking more broadly than just the US or Canada. In Scotland, for example, there is literally no charge at the point of service.
The discussion, and the part of my comment you quoted, is specifically about Canada and the US. So I'm not sure what you're even arguing or why.