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Two-parent households should be a policy goal

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Re: Two-parent households should be a policy goal

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Is that the court fee or something else?

It's not a flat percentage exactly and it varies by state[1]. I'm not sure how I got 10% in my head maybe that's roughly the average? [1] https://calmatters.org/projects/california-keeps-millions-in...

That article says the average retained is about 3.8% nationally. It sounds like what the government is getting it from interest on unpaid support.

Re: Two-parent households should be a policy goal

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I can't read the whole article but remember learning in the past that children of widows have outcomes more similar to two-parent households than divorced parent households. This would seem to suggest the divorce is more of a signal of family/status than something which is driving bad outcomes. At the same time, I do think people have gone a bit too far in their want to not give anyone shame. Yes - some shame is not…

There could be a lot of contributors to that. A child of a widow will deal with grief but hopefully move forward together as a family. Potentially even trying to honor their fathers memory in the process. A child of a divorce is likely to deal with anger, instability from custody agreements, custody battles, emotional fights and manipulation between parents, new relationships on both sides and the changes that come w…

I think it's probably a bit of both and a bit different for each family. Divorce as an indicator of dysfunctional family dynamics that lead to bad outcomes on the one hand, and conflict post divorce that demoralizes the growing people in the family on the other. I'm a child of divorce and I'll say that I probably wouldn't have turned out better if my parents had stayed together forcefully, just different. They're damaged people, they had a dysfunctional relationship, and it would've affected me negatively. At the same time, if their split had been amicable it probably would've affected me positively in comparison, but at the same time if they had both been people capable of such a split they probably wouldn't have needed to split in the first place. I think largely it's just who our parents are that determines that, and how we choose to use our experiences as adults.

Re: Two-parent households should be a policy goal

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I can't read the whole article but remember learning in the past that children of widows have outcomes more similar to two-parent households than divorced parent households. This would seem to suggest the divorce is more of a signal of family/status than something which is driving bad outcomes. At the same time, I do think people have gone a bit too far in their want to not give anyone shame. Yes - some shame is not…

I can't read the whole article but remember learning in the past that children of widows have outcomes more similar to two-parent households than divorced parent households. One possible (partial) explanation: If there is enough insurance/benefits to cover the bills after dad's death, mom is usually the primary childcare provider. So if dad's role is primarily as provider , his loss can be substantially mitigated wit…

A man is not an interchangeable wallet, although it's probably true that a man with foresight to prepare financially for such a scenario is probably a responsible father in other ways too. It's quite possible that the existence of such financial preparedness are also indicators of other factors that end in good outcomes.

Re: Two-parent households should be a policy goal

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I can't read the whole article but remember learning in the past that children of widows have outcomes more similar to two-parent households than divorced parent households. This would seem to suggest the divorce is more of a signal of family/status than something which is driving bad outcomes. At the same time, I do think people have gone a bit too far in their want to not give anyone shame. Yes - some shame is not…

"societal shame would prevent people from being reckless with having kids" Meanwhile, several US states are working against this goal by preventing women from having unwanted pregnancies. It's as though policy has consequences!

I think you stumbled on your words a little bit there. It's hard to tell exactly what you mean. Preventing women from ending unwanted pregnancies you mean?

Re: Two-parent households should be a policy goal

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I suppose I should revise my comment to mean that I don't think living together is a necessity. Just in close proximity. Moreover I know many who do live close to parents and seem estranged due to broken families/mom and dad can't stand to be in the same room, etc

I was able to infer that from your original comment, but the point is that neither my sister nor I can reach my parents in a single day of driving[1], and my wife can't reach her in-laws in a single day of driving. My in-laws are very close now, but at this point we are caring for them more than they are caring for our kids. 1: I'm considering a full day of driving as 12 hours here. Different people tend to disagree…

Why don't your parents or your in laws move? Don't they want to be with their grandchildren?

Re: Two-parent households should be a policy goal

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WFH solves this too. RTO policies are anti-family. Hell, unchecked corporate work culture is part of why Japan and Korea's birth rates are so low. Can't be out having babies if you're at the office at all hours.

I think WFH-RTO dimension is orthogonal to unchecked corporate culture. You can have a great work-life balance with RTO (I saw it at Google first-hand in 2010's) and you can have a shitty dawn-to-dusk grinder with WFH (saw it many times since Covid.

But you can more easily live next to your parents with WFH then RTO; you don't have to move to where the jobs are, moving everytime you change jobs.

Re: Two-parent households should be a policy goal

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I can't read the whole article but remember learning in the past that children of widows have outcomes more similar to two-parent households than divorced parent households. This would seem to suggest the divorce is more of a signal of family/status than something which is driving bad outcomes. At the same time, I do think people have gone a bit too far in their want to not give anyone shame. Yes - some shame is not…

> prevent people from being reckless with having kids

Do people want the birthrate to go down or up? It's very easy to shame people into "you should have way more than the median income and own a house before having kids", and guess what effect that has.

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I've thought about this a lot. My personal theory is that when young leave their home communities to seek opportunity elsewhere, that experience changes them. Afterward, to the extent they return, they rejuvenate their community. To the extent they don't, the community stagnates. The reality in the US is mostly the latter. This also created a self-perpetuating cycle, since who wants to go back to their stagnant littl…

Japan has a 'hometown' tax. Forget exactly how this works but you're tied to the town / area you grew up in for life.

Discussed yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37555004>

Re: Two-parent households should be a policy goal

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Encourage how? Force unhappy couples together? You think that is good for the children?!

> Encourage how? By creating evidence-based policies that support and encourage nucleic families through education and counseling at accessible institutions for potential and actual family members.

Gobbledygook.

Re: Two-parent households should be a policy goal

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The baffling part here is you reading things that aren't there. Let's read the two comments you replied to: - Nothing better than a father and mother in a stable, loving relationship for a child. Yes, let’s encourage this. - Money promote happiness, so having more money could be a subgoal. This is a rough description, of course. Where is the suggestion to force couples who don't work together to stay together for the…

I see lots of people saying "Encourage this"

I see no actual solutions.

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