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Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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It's funny they ask me to subscribe to their newsletter using my email in the end without any explanation on how they're going to use it :)

Or you could just log in with the embedded „Log in with Google“ Button. Which ironically probably tracks you too without even clicking it.

It probably notes the timing, position of click, acceleration of mouse.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Wish this could have a normal article format instead of the cheap meme-worthy avatar generator.

I don't think this was meant for the HN crowd, to be honest. We'll just have to deal with the cutesy controls. I thought it was fun, I don't think everything has to be straight text and static images.

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I don’t see China’s relevance here: they have two choices: play by their rules or leave on the table shitloads of money. Maybe not morally the best decision, but it is not black-and-white evil I would say. For a Chinese person that also has to play by the same rules it is an added choice, and since all are similarly hijacked by the government this aspect doesn’t make it any worse. Also, CP scanning was deliberately p…

It boggles my mind that some people don't see the relevance. Apple provides a backdoor into Chinese citizens' iCloud to the Chinese government, while praising itself as the bastion of privacy. Doing so because of money is all the more hypocritical.

So what, there is ios and ios China. You are using the former. Would a separate Signal China invalidate the whole protocol?

Sure, on a local moral compass it is no good look, but if Chinese people are forced by their governments into that -- is really a private company from another country supposed to fight with them over it? In any other case I think you would agree that private companies should STFU about local laws, right? That fight is on the Chinese people.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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From the top hit for IDFA (the wikipedia article): > Starting in iOS 14.5, iPadOS 14.5, and tvOS 14.5, users are prompted to decide whether to opt-in or out of IDFA sharing before apps can query it. This choice can be altered in Settings.[2][3] In May, 2021, Verizon-owned advertisement analytics company Flurry Analytics reported that 96% of US users opted out of IDFA sharing.[4]

> 96% of US users opted out of IDFA sharing If it's so clear that users don't want to be tracked online, why don't we just ban it altogether? It would solve a lot of problems.

...we don't ban it 'because lobbying'. God forbid we inconvenience the capitol holders and the advertising business.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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post #119

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> In 2022, Apple generated 4.7 billion U.S. dollars with its global advertising business. > By 2022, Facebook's ad revenues had hit $135.94 billion. $4.7B is not a small number but no where close to Facebook’s.

Also, not all ads are the same from an ethical standpoint. Displaying an app ad in the appstore upon searching for a similar term is very different than displaying ads based on your whole life, collected in malicious ways.

But is it ok for Apple to show you an ad in the first party Stocks or News app based on what you've searched for and purchased in the App store?

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Apple shows ads for apps in the App Store sans behavioural targeting. If there is a kind of “ethical ads” that’s as close as it gets.

> If there is a kind of “ethical ads” that’s as close as it gets. A news paper ad? A builtin board? I think advertisements that hijack your attention are always unethical. You should have to look for ads to see them.

Sure I agree. But there has to be some distinction between annoying but more or less harmless ads, like magazine ads and bus stop ads, and annoying ads, like the ones that might end up under your car wipers, in your bicycle basket, or mail box --- and internet spyware ads, that spy on you and sell your privacy to whoever got a dime.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Sure. But Apple didn't invent billboards and you can be rest assured it (billboard advertising) is never coming up in an iOS update in the future! Enough with carrying water for a megacorp that makes money from selling advertising services.

I am no bootlicker for any corp, but I do value and appreciate Apple’s focus on privacy, and I think that many criticisms of it is just nitpicky and doesn’t help anyone (e.g. calling that buy icloud service label an ad..). On the other hand, I very much await sideloading to be forced out of Apple by the EU.

> I think that many criticisms of it is just nitpicky and doesn’t help anyone

This is true, but many criticisms are valid. Apple News is user-tracking adware that cannot be uninstalled on MacOS. You cannot install an app on any of the iDevices without telling Apple. You cannot get your GPS location on an iDevice without telling Apple. Apple is spending considerable resources growing their ad business, so expect this to grow worse over time; and combined with Apple's inclination to deny user control, there is no way to opt out without opting out entirely of iDevices.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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> Apple’s own apps don’t need to display the prompt because as per their privacy policy they don’t collect or use information for tracking purposes (which is also visible in the privacy labels of their apps in the App Store). This is the privacy policy [0] of an example of their app, Apple News. I quote: "Advertising In order to deliver great content to you from leading publishers, Apple News is ad supported. If the…

The summary of each app's privacy practices is easier to see at a glance using the App Store Labels: https://www.apple.com/privacy/labels/ In this case, you're referring to "Data Linked to You". "Data Linked to You" is based on the account you used to sign in to the News app + your activity within the news app - to create suggestions within the News app. This does not allow Apple to track you from the News app e.g. a…

It's made clear from the policy which I took the liberty to quote here that Apple News tracks your interests and uses it to personalize ads not only inside the same app but also Apple's App Store. Same policy states that whether you are logged in on the app or not, you will still receive ads.

They claim they do not share this data with other third parties but they sure as hell use it for their own advertising ecosystem.

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I wonder what it will take for people to finally get fed up with creepy advertising companies. I received a letter from Target that by default they’ll sell my information to unaffiliated third parties and I have to call or write a letter to opt-out. I’m sure I agreed to that at some point (and anyone signing up for a loyalty program that doesn’t cost anything should realize that’s what they are agreeing to, even if t…

> None of this improves my life. Now you'll get some ads that recommender systems think they should show you, based on your shopping experience at CVS, that could be potentially embarrassing if you have anyone over, or have someone else using your devices. I was able to guess a family member's previously private medical condition based on the ads they got while I was at their place.

And you validated this with them? Deity help whoever tries to diagnose me based on my ads.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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I can't wait for a complete privacy where no business can target relevant offers. I remember the good old days of early 2000, every ad was either real estate, viagra, real estate, viagra or porn. The amount of money going to advertising will be just as ridiculous, but I just want to see the one with the most money to saturate the market and bombard us with shitty ads, like the good old days.
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