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Re: Kevin Rose Will Join Google

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Post by mapster » Fri, Mar 16, 2012, 5:07 AM UTC

herval wrote: post #108

jgrahamc wrote: post #20

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Sure. My view is that Rose has done a very good job of making a name for himself and translating that into personal wealth. It is not clear that that adds anything to Google and if Google thinks it does then my view of Google is diminished.

I'm sorry if the question is naive, but if he made such a great amount of personal wealth, why would he still want/need to "get a job" (regardless of company)?

not becoming a has been I guess. He's also passionate about startups and tech.

Re: Kevin Rose Will Join Google

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Post by ahlatimer » Fri, Mar 16, 2012, 5:25 AM UTC

herval wrote: post #222

ahlatimer wrote: post #159

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Because there are people who work for reasons other than attaining monetary wealth.

doesn't answer my question in any way. Why work for someone else instead of "building your thing" (like he was apparently trying)?

Sorry. The way you phrased your question made it seem like you were asking why he would continue working rather than just pissing off somewhere with his money.

There are loads of reasons why someone would rather work for Big Corp. than doing a startup, especially when they've already checked "build a successful company" off their bucket list. I can only speculate, and I don't feel it's right to in what was probably a very personal decision.

Re: Kevin Rose Will Join Google

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Post by chefsurfing » Fri, Mar 16, 2012, 5:58 AM UTC

chernevik wrote: post #239

sanderjd wrote: post #219

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Here's an idea from a non-idea-guy: do for those of us who have no clue how to approach your list of non-technical skills what Codecademy has done for those with no idea how to approach programming. Start us slow, treat us like we know nothing, but give us the chance to prove otherwise. Allow us to work on our own time, and charge us orders of magnitude less than an MBA costs. I would pay for that.

Probably not doable. Not good at this stuff myself, but at core it seems to be driven by recognition of emotional states and making emotionally intelligent responses. This sort of thing isn't beyond learning -- disciplines like art, music, sports develop the core skills, and we can all become more self-aware. But it doesn't lend itself verbally stated principles.

Not one person is born with the skills listed. They are all learned through experience - Same as programming. If anyone has learned anything valuable from hearing "verbally stated principles" please send me a link to that podcast! However verbally stated instructions on how to pass through a specific educational experience are more likely helpful to the learning process.

"I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand." - Confucius

Re: Kevin Rose Will Join Google

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Post by nandemo » Fri, Mar 16, 2012, 6:04 AM UTC

mkramlich wrote: post #127

beatle wrote: post #103

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developers are a dime a dozen. I can hire ten people from India or China who are better than you (xpose2000). most developers hate successful people who don't have technical skills (Steve Jobs, MBAs, managers, non-technical founders, etc.) because they make the developers look a lot less important.

speaking as an American engineer who has had to deal with a lot of code produced by "cheap" Indian and Chinese programmers, I can't help but laugh at the naivete of this perspective. You tend to get what you pay for in a global market where the price is efficient. Also in my experience ideas and idea people are a dime a dozen. I have notebooks full of hundred ideas I don't have the time, energy or money to execute on…

> You tend to get what you pay for in a global market where the price is efficient.

I agree that the proposition is naive. That said, the global market for programmers' salaries (or contractor's rates) is most definitely not efficient.

Re: Kevin Rose Will Join Google

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Post by pknerd » Fri, Mar 16, 2012, 6:10 AM UTC

Drbble wrote: post #240

pknerd wrote: post #157

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Very simple. His plate is not empty. He offered the plate which was accepted. Simple.

You think oink has some personal information google doesn't already know about a user?

oInk was quite a niche application which Google does not know

Re: Kevin Rose Will Join Google

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Post by chefsurfing » Fri, Mar 16, 2012, 6:10 AM UTC

sanderjd wrote: post #245

chernevik wrote: post #239

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Probably not doable. Not good at this stuff myself, but at core it seems to be driven by recognition of emotional states and making emotionally intelligent responses. This sort of thing isn't beyond learning -- disciplines like art, music, sports develop the core skills, and we can all become more self-aware. But it doesn't lend itself verbally stated principles.

Obviously it can't look much like Codecademy and perhaps it is not about verbally stated principles. Maybe the bigger question is: how does the progress that has been made by people using technology to reduce the financial and social barriers to learning technical material translate to learning "softer" material? If we want to eventually live in a world where the university in its current form has been superseded (an…

I am certain a world full of autodidacts would supersed the university system we see today. For these autodidacts the universe might truly become a "University of Life". I am also certain that the true barriers keeping most people from becoming autodidacts are not financial or social but rather built by the schooling system into our minds. This schooling system itself was probably setup to create obedient soldiers and weapons technicians so as to win wars. Can someone please queue Pink Floyd's "Another Brick In The Wall" [1]?

[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR5ApYxkU-U&feature=fvwre...

Re: Kevin Rose Will Join Google

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Post by gnaritas » Fri, Mar 16, 2012, 6:27 AM UTC

sanderjd wrote: post #215

beatle wrote: post #189

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Right. He can partner with or hire one of the thousands of developers available out there.

Not sure I see your point - one of those thousands of developers out there can partner with or hire one of those thousands of him out there as well. There are lots of people who can program and lots of people who have ideas, and not so many people who can work together to technically execute ideas into profitable technology. Which is kind of the point the people you have been arguing with have been trying to make.

But there are far more people with ideas than people who can program. Programmers aren't in any way the commodities in this scenario.

Re: Kevin Rose Will Join Google

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Post by codeonfire » Fri, Mar 16, 2012, 7:30 AM UTC

xpose2000 wrote: post #16

Sorry if this sounds harsh, and I know he has a lot of fans out there. But this guy struck gold 5 years ago with Digg. Sure, he deserves props for this. However, he's not a developer. He's an "ideas guy" as far as I can tell. As a developer, I hate these kinds of people because more often than not their ideas suck. In any case, what I am saying is that it seems like people in the industry get by based on one previous…

"What could he possibly be bringing to the table with Google?"

He makes insecure high level corporate types look successful. The guy who didn't hire a famous guy this year is going to get fired. Fame is a useful product to some people.

Re: Kevin Rose Will Join Google

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Mar 16, 2012, 9:15 AM UTC

joelmaat wrote: post #224

I'm simply surprised that Google would do this, but I guess there was a foreshadow in early November when Google Ventures invested. I don't know what they expect to come of this move, but I'm actually, all else aside, wanting for this Google+ thing to work out. I'm actually still a fan. As for Kevin Rose, sometimes I listen to him speak and it seems like he's on the ball and has his finger on the pulse, and at other…

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Re: Kevin Rose Will Join Google

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Post by phatbyte » Fri, Mar 16, 2012, 10:06 AM UTC

Never saw so much jealousy/flaming targeting one person here on HN. I got to say I'm a little disappointed as member of this community.

I'm pretty sure Google didn't hired him just for his pretty eyes or the 'cool' factor. Specially when 99% of these comments don't know jack of what they are saying.