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Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

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Re: Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

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In the US, railroads were granted sections of land (1 square mile) alongside tracks. I believe this was every other section, for each mile of track laid. One site I'm finding says that this extended 20 miles to either side of the track: Approximately 16 percent of Nebraska’s total land mass was given to various railroad companies, either by the federal government or by the state. Along the lines of the state’s two ma…

The standard land grant pattern for railroads was a checkerboard pattern, which makes it hard to depict accurately on a map. The source I have doesn't give an exact number of Nebraska that was actually granted in land grant to railroads, but 16% is right in the ballpark of what I'd estimate from interpolation from other states. However, it's also worth noting that land grants were only doled out in US history in an e…

Thanks.

I was aware of the "checkerboard" land-grant allocation, but not how deep (perpendicular distance from RoW) it went.

I also wasn't aware of how brief the land-grant subsidy era was. Though it would be interesting to see a track-mileage development timeline or animation showing how trackage developed over time.

My general understanding is that track mileage exploded quite quickly, often with competing railroads establishing duplicate connections especially on highly-attractive routes, with the winner then absorbing (or simply competing to death) the loser(s). There is also a distinction between major (national or regional) Class I railroads, and short-line (usually Class III) railroads, where a short-line often served only a single line or small set of lines within a small region.

Overall, US railroad trackage shrank for much of the 20th century as early, redundant, competitive trackage was abandoned. I'm not sure what recent trends have been.

Re: Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

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How exactly would you prevent the need to travel between cities? Vancouver-Seattle or Seattle-Portland isn't exactly a "commute".

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Please understand that HSR is not meant to be for commuters, as the other commenters also pointed out.

Next time, if three different people ask you the exact same question, maybe take a step back and ask yourself if you were actually wrong.

One person might be able to misunderstand, but multiple people generally means you’re the one that has no clue what you’re talking about.

Re: Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

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The actual report is here. It’s quite readable: https://mic.comotion.uw.edu/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Keepi... The word “commuter” appears 19 times, always in the context of “local commuter rail,” in contrast to the high speed rail the report discusses. High speed rail is very clearly described as a metro-to-metro solution, in competition with air travel. Commuting is not the stated purpose. The stated purpose is to…

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They clearly did read it. And the actual report, which is the thing that really matters.

You clearly have not, on the other hand. Nor do you have the most basic understanding of the purpose of HSR, which you wouldn’t even need to read the report to know.

It’s ok to say “I’m wrong”, you know.

> Let me ask you a different question, since you brought up air travel; what sort of ticket/buyer do you think accounts for the bulk of domestic airlines' revenues?

It sure isn’t commuting if that’s what you’re getting at.

https://www.ustravel.org/system/files/media_root/document/Re... -> “Leisure travel accounted for over 80% of domestic travel”

https://www.statista.com/statistics/539518/us-air-passengers... -> majority personal/leisure

But please, tell me exactly how commuters somehow are the primary users of both air travel and HSR.

Re: Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

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A bike is too slow. It would mean just driving to the destination without a rail would be faster.

In urban conditions with trafic, a bike is faster than a car, even without dedicated infrastructures.

What does that matter if your destination isn't in an urban area?

Re: Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

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Please understand that HSR is not meant to be for commuters, as the other commenters also pointed out. Next time, if three different people ask you the exact same question, maybe take a step back and ask yourself if you were actually wrong. One person might be able to misunderstand, but multiple people generally means you’re the one that has no clue what you’re talking about.

HSR has multiple purposes, but if you think it isn't meant for commuters... well, it's not worth arguing with you.

Re: Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

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Yeah see this is the problem - urbanist aesthetics demanding everyone live a very particular lifestyle, which includes a lot more than just urban living hamstringing projects.

Respectfully, suburban guys want to use urban cores rent free. If people with cars actually paid anything close to market rates for the precious real estate they take up with their cars, then most of them would just walk/bike/bus in the city. Car drivers have the government on their side, so they get heavily subsidized real estate (roads, parking). I don't think this treatment is very equal or fair. Keep your house a…

How do ambulances work in city cores if not roads?

Re: Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

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There’s a little problem with that. You want people who live close but not directly near one of the stations to also drive and park and take it. So you do need stations continently outside of the super dense metro area.

You don't need a high-speed rail station for that; you just need one of the park-n-ride lots at a light-rail station. You drive to the transit network, then use the local train to reach the regional train.

One of the obvious problems with this, at least in the California metros, is going to be that these stations are watering holes for people who engage in car breakins.

Re: Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

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Did you know there are nice and fast trains in Europe outside of the Paris region?

Yes. I've ridden on many of them. I'm a huge HSR proponent. I just don't think it works for Eugene to Vancouver. If we had double the population it would be a no-brainer. The math is very clear. Below about 25,000 people per linear kilometer of lines, they require massive subsidies and never really pay off. Eugene to Vancouver BC is <12,000 people per linear kilometer. Honestly I would love to be wrong.

We massively subsidize highways, so I don’t really see a problem with having other options that aren’t “profitable”

Re: Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

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Did you know there are nice and fast trains in Europe outside of the Paris region?

The whole WA is just around 7 million people. Portland area is around 2. Yet the distance between Seattle and Portland is the same as between Frankfurt and Munich. There's simply not enough traffic to justify a train. Another lane on I-5 would help a lot more.

Another lane would not actually help, because I don’t want to drive there.
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