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Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse

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Re: Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse

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The government doesn't need to know which services you use and which accounts are yours. The service doesn't need to know who you are, only that you are a unique human. But yes, as I said, I hate the idea. Was asking for other solutions.

Yeah the US government would never in a million years do it in a privacy preserving way

Very few governments would.

Re: Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse

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It's funny how, in the end, the ultimate and perhaps only proof of personhood is being a person, engaged in the world. Sort of how the ultimate decentralized currency is encompassed in the global market of rising and falling economic powers. The oracle problem is a problem because there are no oracles. There is only the test of time. Or something along that line.

> the ultimate and perhaps only proof of personhood is being a person, engaged in the world I buy this. Daniel Suarez had a very similar idea, although he referred to it as the bot problem[0]. I believe this approach of identities withstanding "the test of time" solves the oracle problem but at the cost of a delayed solution. Initially you have lots and lots of bots and Sybil attacks are common. Then after a while, i…

Even that's a bit of a crapshoot. I have a Reddit account that's over 15 years old. I have a Neopets account that's over 20. I can't get into either of them, a consequence of (my abuse of) poor UX design. (What's the fake birth date I chose in 2000? Who knows! Was taking advantage of Reddit's account-juicing tactic of not requiring an email worth losing a decade-old identity to hackers? Probably not!)

I've tried to recover them, and faced a (perhaps justified) customer support brick wall. Was Neopets to anticipate Millennial nostalgia (and our preteen willingness to circumvent COPPA) in their sign-up processes a generation ago? How obligated is Reddit to investigate someone's claim to any single account?

But without those accounts, I'm two closer to being a digital non-entity, for significant portions of my life.

Re: Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse

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Worldcoin is simply another pre-mined, VC backed shitcoin - albeit worst because they’re building a biometrics database. - VCs dump money in (SBF, a16z, etc) - 25% of the coins are kept for the founders + investors How many times do people have to get burned on these scams? Obviously Sam has some street cred with the govt else they would have pulled him infront of congress like when zuck tried to launch Libre.

If they didn't seem so stupid, you'd think the biometrics collection thing was the point, but I actually think they're just so dumb it's not even that sophisticated a scam.

The tinfoil hat part of me says its like the "identify the stoplights" challenges.

We'll introduce this idea that sounds really tech, and hype. Maybe imply its so difficult that computers could never compete with humans.

We'll say its about improving security, and most humans will get a vague comforting feeling from the idea that there's some security feature, even if they find it kind of annoying to interact with.

Five years later, we say "surprise, it was really about training an eyeball recognition database that we can sell. Just like the image recognition datasets."

I do not even kind of believe these people are dumb.

Re: Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse

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Interesting. I wonder how he would characterize his belief system. I personally have a very dim view of him, mostly because of Worldcoin (which is how he came onto my radar). His work with OpenAI confirms my unease with his efforts and makes me wonder what his goals actually are.

Altman's belief system is "I deserve more money and power", that simple. There's no generous interpretation of building a 25% pre-mine shitcoin, and hawking it to third world countries through sketchy contractors who are explicitly incentivized to collect biometrics from anyone they can, where the claimed purpose of said shitcoin isn't even a little bit implemented, especially all of this in light of your friend and…

I think most billionaires have the belief system "I deserve more money and power and what's best for me is best for society".

Re: Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse

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This is the Eye of Sauron. I'm very much into the crypto world and I'm so tired of all of these dumb scams. Even worse that it is backed by yet another scammer named 'Sam'. I really wish we could focus on things that actually provided value to people. What a waste of time/money/effort. I hope this one dies a quick death. So far, it looks like it will, which is great.

Honest question, is there any cryptocurrency that provides actual value to people? The blockchain can be trivially deanonymized from my understanding. It's difficult to get coins without at any point revealing your identity. So, if you're not in a circle of people who will physically trade coin for cash (or vis-versa) there seems to be no privacy argument. I just fail to see crypto as anything but a scam - period. It…

Monero has not be deanonymized from my understanding. Most coins are shitcoins, yes, including Bitcoin, but Monero is at least decent (assuming you actually own your crypto via a hardware wallet).

Re: Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse

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I don't get how anyone can call something with an eternally-fixed quantity a currency. What's the plan for when it starts appreciating and people stop spending it and start hoarding it?

Prices drop.

Why? If any currency is appreciating, people are incentivized to hold it, which has the effect of decreasing supply, and decreasing supply makes the price of something go up, not down.

Re: Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse

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Exactly, tech is hellbent on preserving our humanity while discarding the embodied world that makes us human. It's a schizoid's fantasy.

That’s because it’s mostly schizoids creating this stuff (myself included)

Do you have an inability to form close connections with other humans? Would that be different towards artificial ones?

Re: Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse

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I don't get all the comments, from the worldcoin website: > Your biometric data is first processed locally on the Orb and then permanently deleted. The only data that remains is your IrisCode. This IrisCode is a set of numbers generated by the Orb and is not linked to your wallet or any of your personal information. As a result, it really tells us — and everyone else — nothing about you. All it does is stop you from…

If I understand correctly this is what they want to do eventually (delete the info used to create the iris hash) but isn't actually what they are doing. The impression is that once they have their algorithm "perfect" and never need to retest on source data they'll go back and delete all the data they have stored but who really trusts that will happen?
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