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Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops

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A gun isn't going to protect you from police violence, it's just going to give them a reason to become even more militarized and an excuse after they shoot you

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff

Lol the Bundys only "survived" because 80% of the cops out there are on their side.

Give me a break, them having guns in no way prevented LE from doing what they wanted.

Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops

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You're right I meant to say hate crimes not hate speech. Although in the Utah case her actions where pretty clearly speech [1] [1] https://www.npr.org/2021/07/15/1016431004/a-woman-is-facing-...

This case is not going to result in a criminal indictment. It is clearly a 1A violation. Much like how Florida has recently been nabbing people from other states for online posts[1]. In both cases, it seems the justice system is being weaponized to punish those via a lengthy judicial process. Hopefully the defendants will sue for civil rights violations. [1] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/what-does-in-mine…

They hopefully won't but the threat of arrest, even if they won't be indicted, is definitely enough to have a dampening effect on people exercising their rights. At the same time I wouldn't be confident in the courts protecting your first amendment rights [1] especially given the current court.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schenck_v._United_States (Note: this case has been overturned, but it took 50 years)

Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops

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According to the Arizona law even if a police officer is beating you, you'd be committing a crime by recording them so long as the police can claim that you were also "INTERFERING WITH LAWFUL POLICE ACTIONS". As long as they scream "stop resisting" at you, you'll probably be a criminal.

Can you link an instance of this happening or is this entirely speculation on your part?

The text of law is pretty short, you can read it yourself https://www.azleg.gov/legtext/55leg/2R/bills/HB2319S.pdf

It was only put in place a year ago, and it was very quickly contested as unconstitutional, which it is, and a judge stopped it from being enforced. The Republican who drafted and sponsored the law has vowed to try again. ”If if the judge says, you know, this is bad because of ‘x’, next year, though, the bill will come in bill minus ‘x’,”

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You might be surprised how much a group of armed citizens can do against a police squad. I don't think “you’ll never protect yourself from the gov’t” is an accurate angle.

Temporarily. In the long run? Nah. Eventually the APCs roll in.

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Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops

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Why does it matter if they are a journalist or not in this context?

Journalists have explicit protection in the first amendment. Many people (including some police) believe you have to have credentials to be a journalist, but that's not so. Of course if the government can determine if someone is a journalist or not, it's not a freedom; so anyone can be a journalist. The whole credentials thing is for accessing secure areas like the White House, etc. Freedom of speech also protects fi…

As far as I know, journalists don't have any special protections or rights for taking pictures that raise above the General Public.

Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops

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Police camera footage should definitely, 100%, be public record the moment it's taken, I agree. Part of the problem isn't actually refusal to cooperate on the part of police orgs, though. I happen to know second-hand that the companies operating the cameras provide abysmal and overcomplex, failure-prone software and hardware, and storing all that camera footage in a way that is quickly accessible to the public would…

It's a bit odd that exculpatory bodycam footage tends to be a lot faster to be able to get through that abysmal and overcomplex, failure-prone process.

Maybe. All I know is the software sucks.

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Gangs are that resistance and they are not winning. In slums, drug cartels found enough of people willing to throw the life away. And as much as they are able to deal drugs, there is no symmetry between them and state. The Dead bodies just pile up. Armed population does absolutely nothing except lynching here and there. And even those lynching happened with approval from state.

The gangs clearly aren't trying to war against the state. If they were, I imagine the scenario would result in the national guard or a result akin to Mexico. If the gangs wanted to make a stand against the state, they could. They would need to take and defend their territory while increasing their numbers, likely via kidnapping and child recruitment.

> If the gangs wanted to make a stand against the state, they could. They would need to take and defend their territory while increasing their numbers, likely via kidnapping and child recruitment.

That is a pure fantasy. You know how I know? Because gangs historically and worldwide occasionally tried. This fails all the time.

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> I'm not sure how someone wearing body armor and carrying multiple weapons that can incapacitate or kill someone can be intimidated by a smile. They're wannabe military tough-guys with laughably worse training and culture, much of which tells them they should be pee-pants scared all the time (seriously—folks very-successfully sell some wacko training courses to cops; or, just look at the disconnected-from-reality-an…

Yeah, this is becoming more and more the case. I have friends who are associated with or in law enforcement and if you ever end up at a bar with them they will endlessly talk about the "threats to their safety" on the job. I often hear stories where they're checking out a house that has supposed drug use (or similar) and they play it up like they're a marine in a war zone, going to have a man-down shoot out. In reali…

> “… ramming tank for SWAT-like break and enter operations. I'm not sure I want my police owning a literal tank when they already have me outgunned…”

I have a family member in law enforcement. I asked them this very question. What do you need this monster vehicle for?

Their answer was they can approach a target house and communicate with the occupant without putting officers in harms way (as much as a bullet-proof ramming armored vehicle keeps its passengers safe ). The alternative is officers are much closer to the threat/danger, which makes for a situation which can escalate very quickly to deadly force.

Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops

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post #125

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You might be surprised how much a group of armed citizens can do against a police squad. I don't think “you’ll never protect yourself from the gov’t” is an accurate angle.

Temporarily. In the long run? Nah. Eventually the APCs roll in.

In the long run they will run out of jackboots willing to risk not coming home to their families at the end of the day.

Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops

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post #257

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The gangs clearly aren't trying to war against the state. If they were, I imagine the scenario would result in the national guard or a result akin to Mexico. If the gangs wanted to make a stand against the state, they could. They would need to take and defend their territory while increasing their numbers, likely via kidnapping and child recruitment.

> If the gangs wanted to make a stand against the state, they could. They would need to take and defend their territory while increasing their numbers, likely via kidnapping and child recruitment. That is a pure fantasy. You know how I know? Because gangs historically and worldwide occasionally tried. This fails all the time.

Tell that to the Mexican government.
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