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Re: LazyVim

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Post by wrapperup »

majkinetor wrote: post #196
altonas wrote: post #76

LazyVim got me back into vim. After years of custom configs and/or heavily editing lunarvim and nvChad I was getting a bit burnt out but decided to give lazyVim a try, and I was absolutely blown away. For the first time a vim setup actually felt like a real IDE. It took about 60 seconds to go from having lazyvim installed to having a fully functional IDE that I could use at work in a real environment. That's the same…

I don't buy it. I have so many custom little quirks that no ammount of integrated out of the box setup is gonna replace it in 60s. Thats unrealistic. I believe its good, but it must be for certain class of working habits (for example, its probably great for those people that use vanilla anything, including vim).

Agreed. Back then, I tried to get into neovim with packer and a ton of plugins, then tried AstroVim and stuff broke all the time. Went back to vscode.

I tried it again about half a year ago with a much leaner, custom lazy (plugin manager, not LazyVim) setup, and now it's my main IDE for everything except C++ (clangd sucks, sorry)

It took me less than a day to get a decent config, and now I rarely touch it (occasionally there may be a nice plugin to throw in). Config is about 2-300 lines, with LSP (rust, typescript), harpoon, oil.nvim telescope, etc. Works great.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by paulvandermeijs »

mumblingdrunk wrote: post #128
danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

This is why I switched to Helix. The configuration is practically non-existent, and it has default configs for all the language servers I could ever want to interact with. I just put the language server binary in my path and I'm ready to go with autocomplete and all the other features.

I've also switched to Helix recently and I get the feeling that is not emphasized enough how much it is about having default integrations for modern standards like LSP, Tree-sitter, and DAP. It's amazing how much functionality you get with just that and not having any plugins or complex configuration.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by tambourine_man »

noud wrote: post #132

Am I the only one using vanilla vim with a minimal configuration file ( Very easy to setup. Moreover, when I'm on a different computer and open (vanilla) vim without any configurations. I know that everything is more or less the same as my default vim environment. I think it's not that hard to learn developing in the default vim environment, with some minor tweaks. Also related, How to Do 90% of What Plugins Do (With…

I’m at home on vanilla vim, but there are some quality-of-life stuff I’ve been collecting over the millennia that are just too good to give up on my day to day use. One has to find its own balance of custom vs default.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by altonas »

majkinetor wrote: post #196
altonas wrote: post #76

LazyVim got me back into vim. After years of custom configs and/or heavily editing lunarvim and nvChad I was getting a bit burnt out but decided to give lazyVim a try, and I was absolutely blown away. For the first time a vim setup actually felt like a real IDE. It took about 60 seconds to go from having lazyvim installed to having a fully functional IDE that I could use at work in a real environment. That's the same…

I don't buy it. I have so many custom little quirks that no ammount of integrated out of the box setup is gonna replace it in 60s. Thats unrealistic. I believe its good, but it must be for certain class of working habits (for example, its probably great for those people that use vanilla anything, including vim).

That's the thing, I absolutely don't want to do a bunch of tiny tweaks. I want to write (react) code. For me personally I feel like tweaking an IDE gets in the way of that. Yet I can take a clean install of lazyvim, use mason to install the react language server, and install copilot, and then I can immediately start working.

And so that's what I actually do, and I find that to be much more pleasant (and lightweight) than other IDEs like VS code.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by laeri »

p-e-w wrote: post #217
xeyownt wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You get exactly the same functionality with (neo)vim plugins. Only difference is that because vim has been open-source for decade, there are many many more plugins, and hence the choice is harder to make. VSCode also helped improve the (neo)vim experience (e.g. language servers) Comparing VSCode and Vim is like comparing a standard calculator with an RPN one.

> Only difference is that because vim has been open-source for decade, there are many many more plugins No, the main difference is in the quality of plugins, not in how many there are. For example, Rust-Analyzer provides an official VSCode extension, which is professionally maintained by members of the Rust core team. The extension is part of the Rust-Analyzer project itself, and can be installed with a single click,…

I agree with your main point, you have to do quite a few things to configure these plugins and some of it is not straightforward.

However, I program rust using the lunarvim default configuration for vim and it has been very straightforward. I have all features I need to program comfortably and I didn't need to configure anything, the defaults were good enough for me. So that doesn't mean that vim cannot have the same easy of use if there exists some sane default configuration you can just install. I am happy with it and not going to change to vscode or something else.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by UltLRS »

jahsome wrote: post #229
p-e-w wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Only difference is that because vim has been open-source for decade, there are many many more plugins No, the main difference is in the quality of plugins, not in how many there are. For example, Rust-Analyzer provides an official VSCode extension, which is professionally maintained by members of the Rust core team. The extension is part of the Rust-Analyzer project itself, and can be installed with a single click,…

I'm a vim user, but only because of the keybinds. I use VS code an equal amount because I often get too frustrated trying to wire the disparate vim tools. The never ending fiddling and 30-step process to get the equivalent of one click in vs code is exhausting. The people who _enjoy_ the toil seem to truly struggle to comprehend that someone might not want to spend hours upon hours learning how to get things working,…

There is a vim plugin for VS code. It gives you vim keybindings. https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=vscodevi...

Re: LazyVim

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Post by stavros »

baq wrote: post #103
danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

> I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. I’ve done that a couple years ago after ~15 years of happy vimming. Still yearning for the text manipulation language combined with macros, but all the other gains significantly outweigh the worse editing capabilities.

What are the other gains you like?

Re: LazyVim

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Post by column »

omoikane wrote: post #25
loveparade wrote: post #4

A bit off-topic, but I wonder how much Copilot/GPT cuts into the market share of editors like vim and emacs. I used emacs for the past few years, but I recently switched (back) to vscode because the Copilot integration is really good. There are a lot GPT integraton packages for other editors, but they don't come close to the deeper integration that vscode has. And of course, vscode will probably get priority treatmen…

I never got into these copilot things because I wanted my text editor to be predictable rather than magical. As such, I am still using regular VIM.

It's not like vscode sneaks in the copilot code. You always have to validate. Is it magical when you use regular code completion?

Re: LazyVim

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Post by flohofwoe »

danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

I use VSCode with one of the neovim extensions for 'IDE tasks' (none of those extensions is perfect though, but they're "good enough"), and a vanilla vim without customization for quick text editing tasks on the terminal (sometimes even within the VSCode terminal panel).

E.g. for me, "vim" is more like an input scheme that works across editors, less a particular product.

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