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Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by carlosjobim »

dspillett wrote: post #215
carlosjobim wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The creator gets zero dollars from you watching sponsored segments, unless you actually go and buy the product using their promo code. So you are not helping them, only wasting your time. A better option is YouTube Premium + Sponsorblock. Then your time spent watching a video translates to payment to the video creator - at a higher rate than for users watching with ads. And you save your time by skipping sponsored se…

> The creator gets zero dollars from you watching sponsored segments, unless you actually go and buy the product using their promo code. So you are not helping them, only wasting your time. That feels like a deliberate misrepresentation of how sponsorship works. The sponsors are not paying directly for viewings or sales (though number of eyeballs is one consideration in negotiating the worth for a sponsored block) bu…

> The sponsors are not paying directly for viewings

And in that case you are not contributing by watching the ads. There's also a ton of sponsorship where the creator has a referral code that the viewer uses to purchase a product. In these cases they make money if you buy the product.

If you're not going to buy anything, you are not helping the creator at all by watching any ads. Your are better off just blocking the ads to not waste your time.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

jedberg wrote: post #244

The biggest failure of the DMCA was that there are no consequences for false accusations. That one small change would make a huge difference. Put the liability on the reporter for false claims.

We could always manufacture some consequences ourselves...

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by RunSet »

justinclift wrote: post #76
bragr wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>What aspect of the YouTube servers' behavior can be construed as an effective access control? Is there even a rudimentary secret My understanding is that YouTube does implement a trivial sort of DRM/encoding with a rolling cypher to the actual location of video file. This is what tools like youtube-dl implement, and what get their DCMA from the RIAA. It's supposedly very light weight in terms of DRM, and notably I d…

> YouTube does implement a trivial sort of DRM/encoding Nope. Youtube break their streams up into a number of tiny pieces so they can adjust bandwidth dynamically extremely easily. It's just the RIAA and friends looking for an excuse, so they've attempted (and likely will continue attempting) to make people believe that's "sort form of DRM". Don't get fooled by their bullshit.

Since an effective access control would by definition not be subject to circumvention, there is no conceivable situation where someone might be guilty of circumventing an effective access control.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/effective

An ineffective access control? Perhaps, but the DMCA doesn't mention those.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by 542354234235 »

vasco wrote: post #234
bombolo wrote: post #187

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Russia had the same until the collapse of USSR. Which has nothing to do with who had a bigger role in fighting the nazis.

Did I make any argument about who had a bigger role? I just made an argument that because of the US's role, and the fact that right now they have the biggest army, that's what allows them to have this influence in laws in europe. Other people started making comparisons with USSR.

>also the only reason most of europe has freedom today and not a german dictatorship is the US in WW2

German soldiers killed on the Eastern Front before the final battles of 1945: 2,742,909.

On the Western Front, the Balkans, Africa, Italy, and Northern Europe: 640,541.

I'm no mathematician, but but it seems like it wouldn't have been possible without Russians killing over 75% of the German soldiers and then marching on Berlin. Could Europe have have handled the other 25% without the US? Maybe. Could the US have handled the other 75% without Russia? I am very skeptical.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by mavhc »

jedberg wrote: post #244

The biggest failure of the DMCA was that there are no consequences for false accusations. That one small change would make a huge difference. Put the liability on the reporter for false claims.

If it's wrong you just counter-notice and it's put back again, does take two weeks though. If the initial person is not the copyright holder they've committed perjury.

Seems like it's been rescinded though

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by DropInIn »

jedberg wrote: post #244

The biggest failure of the DMCA was that there are no consequences for false accusations. That one small change would make a huge difference. Put the liability on the reporter for false claims.

It's only a failure from our perspective.

From the perspective of those who lobbied and those who passed it, the DMCA is working exactly as intended.

They always intended for the law to be able to be used for abusive purpose against any without significant financial resources.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by jedberg »

mavhc wrote: post #255
jedberg wrote: post #244

The biggest failure of the DMCA was that there are no consequences for false accusations. That one small change would make a huge difference. Put the liability on the reporter for false claims.

If it's wrong you just counter-notice and it's put back again, does take two weeks though. If the initial person is not the copyright holder they've committed perjury. Seems like it's been rescinded though

Which is an undue burden on legit publishers who get effectively DDosed by big publishers with money. If the big publishers have no consequences, then they have no incentive to stop.

If they got ever increasing fines for false claims, then they would have an incentive to actually only make legit claims.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by zirgs »

TremendousJudge wrote: post #237
zirgs wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He basically imprisoned himself for all of those years. And what's worse - those years won't be subtracted from whatever sentence he's going to get. I don't understand what his long-term plan was.

If I had to choose between being stuck in an embassy and being in a US prison, I wouldn't think about it twice.

Yeah, but without a proper exit plan - you're only delaying the inevitable. He has spent 7 years in the embassy and 4 years in an UK prison - and his trial hasn't even started yet. 11 years and counting - many murderers don't get that much.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by MichaelDickens »

varispeed wrote: post #227
Gareth321 wrote: post #182

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> Search for far-right content if search engine is US-based (suggestions please) I use a similar litmus test. I search for the website for the Proud Boys. Google doesn't just censor it. They place obviously hand-curated results critical of the movement on the first page. Bing is the same. DuckDuckGo also fails the test. Kagi and Yandex both pass this test. Google fails almost every one of these tests.

Just because Yandex passes the test, doesn't mean the can be relied upon. Remember, because they are Russian, it is in their interest to show you content that US corporations censor, but they may be censoring the content that Russia wants to be censored or manipulate it for the benefit of Russian propaganda. What I am trying to say is that it is probably better to get information from many sources as every can be bia…

Maybe the solution is something like a search engine aggregator? A website that sends your search to both DDG and Yandex and shows you the top 5 links from both, removing duplicates. That way if something is censored on Yandex or DDG but not both, you'll still see it. Something like that would be non-trivial to implement, but a lot easier than writing a new search engine.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by MichaelDickens »

varispeed wrote: post #227
Gareth321 wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Search for far-right content if search engine is US-based (suggestions please) I use a similar litmus test. I search for the website for the Proud Boys. Google doesn't just censor it. They place obviously hand-curated results critical of the movement on the first page. Bing is the same. DuckDuckGo also fails the test. Kagi and Yandex both pass this test. Google fails almost every one of these tests.

Just because Yandex passes the test, doesn't mean the can be relied upon. Remember, because they are Russian, it is in their interest to show you content that US corporations censor, but they may be censoring the content that Russia wants to be censored or manipulate it for the benefit of Russian propaganda. What I am trying to say is that it is probably better to get information from many sources as every can be bia…

FWIW when I searched WWII on Yandex, the top 5 results I got were:

1. Wikipedia

2. Call of Duty: WWII official website

3. Britannica

4. The YouTube channel @WorldWarTwo

5. history.com

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