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32“ E Ink screen that displays daily newspapers on your wall (2021)

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Re: 32“ E Ink screen that displays daily newspapers on your wall (2021)

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Why do larger e-ink screens cost more to produce? Something like this for (e.g. Kanban card-based) project management would be cool, though the contrast at a distance. The PineNote is a 9" eInk development device; 3287cm/3 for $400. https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/PineNote But it's not going to look as nice as a 32" e-ink display on the wall. Is there a yellow backlight, or a blueish backlight? Is there a low-cost way t…

> Why do larger e-ink screens cost more to produce? Last I knew the bulk of cost for e-ink displays was just due to the patent holders decision to charge a lot, which is disappointing, but can't go on that much longer...

This is a myth that people keep repeating. E-ink prices have very little to do with patents.

E-ink displays are more expensive because they are utterly niche compared to LCD screens (there are over 6 billion smartphone users in the world right now, and plenty of people own a smartphone, laptop, desktop, TV, tablet, smartwatch, then use a computer at work, interact with a self-checkout kiosk at the supermarket, etc).

There are basically two common use-cases for e-ink right now: e-readers (and nowadays 'e-notes', which have stylus input), and smart-pricetags in supermarkets. Neither of these require large e-ink screens, so there's no existing production line to feed these 32" monitors off. The 32" screens are created by hand-fusing 4 16" screens together, IIRC. This isn't automated because there's not enough demand to automate it.

The reason there's no demand for e-ink screens is that the technology just isn't very useful - I love e-ink, but it's not particularly flexible and can't be used in general-purpose devices that need to display video. It has its niches, but they're niche.

It's lower battery usage is due to low refresh rate, which is inherently incompatible with displaying video -if an e-reader refreshes once per minute and an LCD screen would have to refresh 60 times a second, then the LCD needs to refresh 3600x more often which means e-ink saves power even if the e-ink screen takes 10x or 100x the power per refresh. But if the e-ink screen plays video at 60FPS, then by definition it's refreshing 60 times a second and thus will use 10x or 100x the power of the equivalent LCD screen playing the same video.

If we want prices to drop substantially, we need more use-cases for e-ink. There's hope here, as the recent fast-ACEP tech (the Gallery 3) is color-tech that doesn't sacrifice half of your contrast and resolution (like Color Filter Arrays do), but is fast enough for an interactive device and is almost as fast to refresh as a monochrome screen (previous ACEP screens took min 7 seconds to refresh the screen, the new tech is amazing). With some refinement, it might be enough to bring e-notes somewhat into the mainstream.

So, all that said: e-ink screens that are 6" or less aren't really any more expensive than an LCD. It's only when you get outside of normal e-reader sizes that the price goes up like crazy.

...not to mention, e-ink isn't the only "e-paper" company - ReInkstone are making their DES screens, which dodge at least some of the patents on microencapsulated electrophoretic displays as their cofferdam tech doesn't use microcapsules at all and instead integrate the seals into the display.

Re: 32“ E Ink screen that displays daily newspapers on your wall (2021)

#254

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Who is the target demo? I'm old enough to have had actual newspapers appear on my doorstep. I ever saw anyone mount them on a wall, at least not in a private home. I would think a table/tablet orientation would be more appealing than an awkward wall mount. Is this thing meant to be art, a bit of faux-nostalgia decoration?

I think people definitely do mount significant newspaper and magazine covers. The advantage of this, of course, is that it changes daily. It's part function, part art piece imo. I can imagine somebody who's fairly well off drinking their morning coffee whilst reading this on their wall. A statement piece for the guests at their fashionable dinner parties too.

Yeah, my initial thought when someone said people don't mount newspapers was that yes, they do, even if not always in a personal or home context. It's exactly the type of thing you might see at certain bars, and there's no shortage of interesting famous front pages to display[1]. They're often about disasters, but there's notable very positive ones as well, such as the announcement of peace and the end of WWI and WWII, the famous newspaper announcing we arrived at the moon, etc.

Or you could just have it cycle through the most outlandish front pages from the Weekly World News about the latest exploits of Bat Boy[2]. Or switch to whatever your tastes are for the day! :)

  1: https://www.google.com/search?q=famous+newspaper+front+pages&tbm=isch

  2: https://www.google.com/search?q=bat+boy

Re: 32“ E Ink screen that displays daily newspapers on your wall (2021)

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How long do we need to wait until whatever patent encumberance that's keeping e-ink displays at these ridiculous prices expires and we can start to see affordable e-ink displays?

The price isn't caused by patent encumbrance, but by lack of demand for 32" e-ink monitors. They're hand-fused from 4 16" panes because there's not enough throughput to make it worth automating the process.

Re: 32“ E Ink screen that displays daily newspapers on your wall (2021)

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I think a really interesting project would be an Arduino/Pico/ESP controller and driver for the $1500 display.

Open source, wake-up timer on set interval, connect to Wifi, fetch URL, display image, go back to sleep.

Or have it permanently connected to Wifi and POST a URL to the controller any time to fetch a new image.

That way you could control the full stack and do not need any subscriptions or rely on external companies.

Re: 32“ E Ink screen that displays daily newspapers on your wall (2021)

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I'm a news junkie, and the power and allure of a newspaper's front page have always fascinated me. When I stumbled upon an article written by a Google engineer who had built an e ink device with the front page of his favorite daily newspaper prominently displayed on his wall, I was a bit jealous. So, I worked with a e-ink company called Visionect in Slovenia to build a version that comes shipped ready to put on your…

Why is the first sentence of this comment literally a copy paste from the article? This feels bizarre.

Re: 32“ E Ink screen that displays daily newspapers on your wall (2021)

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I can't help but notice you are using “ (U+201C : LEFT DOUBLE QUOTATION MARK {double turned comma quotation mark}) instead of ″ (U+2033 : DOUBLE PRIME {seconds, inches}) in the headline.

I didn't know there was a Unicode code point for that! I'd always thought one should just use straight quotes for inches. Thanks!
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