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Re: Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?

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Post by cma »

Macha wrote: post #150
raincole wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just a random reddit post. The OP on reddit didn't even post his game. Three possiblilities: 1. It's just fictional. Probably written by a troll or generated by ChatGPT. 2. Steam refused to publish the game due to some obvious copyright issues (like they told Midjourney to generate superman or one-piece characters) 3. Steam is banning any AI generated assets. My bet is 1 > 2 > 3.

I'd be less sure about that, Valve has taken stances for reasons of public demand and/or their personal ethical standards (depending on what you believe) before, for example the ban on Blockchain games.

Valve's ban on blockchain games was more related to their cut of revenue and desire note to bolster systems that bypass it, probably along with KYC concerns converting steam wallet money into crypto.

Re: Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?

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Post by kube-system »

imchillyb wrote: post #211
hyperhopper wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> https://www.artnews.com/art-news/news/ai-generator-art-text-... US Copyright Office has stated unequivocally that AI works cannot be copyrighted, or otherwise protected legally. The US patent office is studying the effects of AI on the patent system and asking citizens and businesses for comment. If that’s not enough for you, I don’t know what would be.

That is a shallow regurgitation of their opinion that has been repeated out of context in headlines, but it misses their point. The Copyright Office's opinion can be better summed up as:

1. Copyright protects work that humans create

2. Humans sometimes use tools to create their works, that is okay

3. Y'all make up your mind whether your AI is some sentient being or whether it's just a tool. We're just lawyers.

If the wind blows and your typewriter falls off a shelf and writes a novel, it isn't subject to copyright either. That doesn't mean that all works written using a typewriter aren't subject to copyright. It means a human must be part of the creative process.

Re: Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?

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Post by gnopgnip »

kemayo wrote: post #9

> After reviewing, we have identified intellectual property in [Game Name Here] which appears to belongs to one or more third parties. In particular, [Game Name Here] contains art assets generated by artificial intelligence that appears to be relying on copyrighted material owned by third parties. As the legal ownership of such AI-generated art is unclear, we cannot ship your game while it contains these AI-generated…

Wouldn't the DMCA safe harbor apply, it's user submitted content?

Re: Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?

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Post by ilyt »

raincole wrote: post #144
kemayo wrote: post #9

> After reviewing, we have identified intellectual property in [Game Name Here] which appears to belongs to one or more third parties. In particular, [Game Name Here] contains art assets generated by artificial intelligence that appears to be relying on copyrighted material owned by third parties. As the legal ownership of such AI-generated art is unclear, we cannot ship your game while it contains these AI-generated…

It's just a random reddit post. The OP on reddit didn't even post his game. Three possiblilities: 1. It's just fictional. Probably written by a troll or generated by ChatGPT. 2. Steam refused to publish the game due to some obvious copyright issues (like they told Midjourney to generate superman or one-piece characters) 3. Steam is banning any AI generated assets. My bet is 1 > 2 > 3.

>Steam refused to publish the game due to some obvious copyright issues (like they told Midjourney to generate superman or one-piece characters)

from post:

> contains art assets generated by artificial intelligence that appears to be relying on copyrighted material owned by third parties.

So I'm guessing 2

Re: Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?

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Post by paxys »

kemayo wrote: post #9

> After reviewing, we have identified intellectual property in [Game Name Here] which appears to belongs to one or more third parties. In particular, [Game Name Here] contains art assets generated by artificial intelligence that appears to be relying on copyrighted material owned by third parties. As the legal ownership of such AI-generated art is unclear, we cannot ship your game while it contains these AI-generated…

This is a bullshit argument. There is zero liability for Valve here. They are a publisher, and are fully protected by the DMCA. Have they received a single takedown request for AI generated art? Why are they judging it to be possible infringement then?

Re: Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?

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Post by [deleted] »

raincole wrote: post #144
kemayo wrote: post #9

> After reviewing, we have identified intellectual property in [Game Name Here] which appears to belongs to one or more third parties. In particular, [Game Name Here] contains art assets generated by artificial intelligence that appears to be relying on copyrighted material owned by third parties. As the legal ownership of such AI-generated art is unclear, we cannot ship your game while it contains these AI-generated…

It's just a random reddit post. The OP on reddit didn't even post his game. Three possiblilities: 1. It's just fictional. Probably written by a troll or generated by ChatGPT. 2. Steam refused to publish the game due to some obvious copyright issues (like they told Midjourney to generate superman or one-piece characters) 3. Steam is banning any AI generated assets. My bet is 1 > 2 > 3.

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Re: Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?

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Post by [deleted] »

kemayo wrote: post #9

> After reviewing, we have identified intellectual property in [Game Name Here] which appears to belongs to one or more third parties. In particular, [Game Name Here] contains art assets generated by artificial intelligence that appears to be relying on copyrighted material owned by third parties. As the legal ownership of such AI-generated art is unclear, we cannot ship your game while it contains these AI-generated…

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Re: Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?

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Post by hot_gril »

abejfehr wrote: post #231
rngname22 wrote: post #14

This is just legal cover until such time as its possible to enforce no child exploitation imagery, no copyright stuff, etc. It doesn't matter if they are able to enforce it, Valve can use this policy as cover if they ever get sued. Don't overthink the motivation. They will not even have a bulletproof way to detect AI imagery as it evolves every single day as an arm's race and detection is a full-time job. Even a FAAN…

> This is just legal cover until such time as its possible to enforce no child exploitation imagery, no copyright stuff, etc. If the art used in a game violates copyright or contains imagery of exploited children, ban it of course, but what does that have to do with whether it was generated via AI or created in another manner? If anything AI generated art should be _less_ susceptible to copyrighted stuff because ever…

Because AI IP law is murky, and that's all Valve cares about.

Re: Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?

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Post by hot_gril »

minimaxir wrote: post #4

This just creates a moral hazard to not disclose the use of any AI-generated assets, which is something other creative industries have already learnt the hard way. Recent text-to-image models have improved enough such that it's possible to get realistic, not-Midjourney-dreaminess in the generations with a modicium of effort, so banning obviously-AI-generated images is shortsighted and unsustainable.

> This just creates a moral hazard to not disclose the use of any AI-generated assets, which is something other creative industries have already learnt the hard way.

This has been the legal street smarts for a while and doesn't seem like a big development to me. As usual, you don't admit or allude to anything. It's like when I'd write code and say no I've never even visited StackOverflow.

Re: Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

teaearlgraycold wrote: post #162
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #123

This will change within 6 months I promise you, EA/Ubisoft/etc will ALL be shipping AI generated textures in games before the end of the year.

And only a matter of time until a major game lets you talk to NPCs by generating dialog with an LLM.

It'll be interesting to see if a game can make good use of that, but it sounds like it would lead to some very frustrating interactions.
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