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Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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This is reminiscent of the USA vs Microsoft case in 2001... I wonder how much the antitrust team at Microsoft gets a say in product decisions like this. Just feels like they're toeing a line...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Cor....

Also definitely not in the best interest of users, which isn't the Satya Nadella way of operating, at least not as demonstrated in the developer tools side of the business.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Seems like a dark pattern. Should have a "Choose this everytime" option, and you and I are both happy

Not really, because sometime default settings are weird and I would also want a "Forget all associations". My point is broader than browsers: if an app wants to redirect me to another app I want a modal where I can select an alternative app and cancel the "redirect".

I'm okay being prompted when I have more than one app of the same type.

I'm not okay being prompted to install an additional app when I already have one that can handle the link. This is advertisement spam and it's disingenuous to claim Google does that to give you choice.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Windows is just full of hostile, anti-user patterns these days. I've considered building a windows box just to have a gaming rig multiple times over the last few years, but every time an article like this or their crusade against Chrome reminds me that Bill Gates is still the same anti-trust monster he was in the 90s.

Not to defend in any way his past stances against Open Source, but Bill Gates has nothing to do with today's Microsoft choices. About the Windows gaming machine, you can surely build one just for gaming; just never put any personal data on it, never use it for surfing or doing anything that is not gaming, never give it any unfiltered access to your LAN, assume it contains malicious software then put it on dedicated E…

Gates set up the (toxic) culture that continues today, and still provides high-level input. Definitely has something to do with their choices in the same way Jobs still does at Apple.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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> That is on iOS, on MacOS they allow other browsers and respect the systemwide defaults. Why is that in any way exonerating? Most people do most of their actual computing on their phones now, it is not an irrelevant toy platform. We should be more, not less, hard on Apple than Microsoft for pulling this shit on their mobile platform.

Apple sells the ability to be part of an 'in-group'. People don't buy their phones for their computing abilities, they do it to have access to other Apple users. Its a psychology trick that took decades of marketing to pull off, but they are deeply entrenched as someone's identity. These users have a religious devotion and will defend them, because an attack on Apple is an attack on them and their group. If you don't…

> People don't buy their phones for their computing abilities, they do it to have access to other Apple users.

Since you're projecting onto people, I'll provide a counter point in that I dislike Android enough, the hardware is often of poor quality, support for updates don't last very long, OEMs install unremovable software (unless you root).

All in all, an awful ecosystem, in my personal experience.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Microsoft, why?? It's an easy fix sure (within the Microsoft 365 Apps admin center) but why is it so hard for you to respect people's default browser choice?

> why is it so hard for you to respect people's default browser choice

Why should microsoft respect anyone if they don't have the self respect to use literally any other OS? They keep getting away with this shit, because people keep letting them.

If you choose to use Windows then I have no pity for you.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Devil’s advocate: Microsoft, an ethically unclean company, is justified in using this tactic to compete with Google, because (a) Google did it to acquire Chrome users in the first place, and (b) breaking the browser hegemony at a user mindshare level (not rendering engine level) is worth some UX pain. Note on (a): some will argue a difference between Google advertising Chrome on Google’s property (something they coul…

When did Google open browser links by default in Chrome instead of the system default? This isn't about advertising, it's about not following system defaults.

> When did Google open browser links by default in Chrome instead of the system default?

On my iphone the GMail app seems to frequently "forget" that Safari exists and I'm prompted to install Chrome when I tap a link.

https://i.redd.it/tg2yj98o5ao51.jpg (Obtenir means Get/Install).

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Dear European-Union! How about enforcing direct control about Microsoft business? Not just another “low” fine in the ten to twenty billion range. Just stopping Microsoft, Apple, Google, Facebook and Amazon. Enforcing AT&T to not enter any new business worked well. In consequence we got UNIX, C, open-source and documentation and finally the TCP/IP-stack of BSD, GNU and Linux. This had a positive effect for the complet…

Hmmm, interesting. How would this be implemented in practice? EU passing laws about specific things that Microsoft should and shouldn't do?

It's something done completely inside the Judiciary, with only oversight by the Legislative.

Indeed, the AT&T case at the US is the textbook example, it's worth looking at it.

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