cloudflare is the biggest employer of the fuck you pattern. making people captcha shit.
The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)
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#252Earlier quoted context omitted.
The staff or someone with them scans it upon request.
Ok, done! The QR code encodes the URL to download a 19.8 MB beautifully designed menu in PDF format. Now what does the blind person do?
Great straw man, but luckily the solution is easy. Inform the restaurant to use one of the many dozens of menu services that are designed specifically with screen readers in mind. There are also PDF screen readers, but that's less ideal because the PDF needs to be designed with accessibility in mind.
https://www.afb.org/blindness-and-low-vision/using-technolog...
Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)
#253I don't agree with this at all. I do concede that some of these patterns use manipulation and visual trickery to send you down a particular (typically more profitable) path. That said, we all enjoy these services for free. The companies that provide them are for profit. I feel the intense hatred people have for these companies is extremely biased. As a person who avoids Meta products for the most part, I still benefi…
The "fuck you" isn't that they require you to login in order to view a page. It's that they tease you with the promise that you don't need an account, and when you try to take them up on that promise they slam the door in your face and say "nice try but you gotta create an account first".
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#254I had an experience like this today when I tried to use GlassDoor for the first time. As a student making my first ever job applications, I wanted to see what salaries and work environments were like at particular employers. GlassDoor did the same scroll-locking tactic (so an element zapper like Ublock Origin's wouldn't resolve the issue), instructing me to register or sign in to view any information. So I registered…
Sadly "giving up" on using "their" services is inconvenient to you a lot more than it's hurting them.
Sure you can refuse to use Facebook and Glassdoor and Amazon and Google account authentication, but then you might as well grow a beard, puton some rags and go live in the woods as a hermit. World doesn't change coze some guy decides to stop talking showers because the water company is an abusing asshole.
The correct response is not to flee from them but fuck them back. I have a throwaway Google account that I use for this purpose. Glassdoor wanted me to register an account? Sure! Review my employer? You bet! I worked as a Principal Engineering Architect at Google making 1.5 million base plus bonus.
There's no requirement to provide the pay stub so I can and will dream up something. And I get the feeling that most figures I see reported by these sites are just that: delirious.
Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)
#255Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I've never scanned a QR That's okay. It's also okay to prefer a paper menu (I'm the same). > I don't intend to learn how I mean, no one is forced to learn, but knowing stuff is not a bad thing. It takes less time to read a QR code than to type that reply. > I'd be compelled to stick around for a few minutes loudly insulting their business What happened to calmly explain your position and then leave without giving t…
The point is to sabotage the business in a more impactful way than merely walking away. Harming employee morale, and consequently employee retention, is an effective means of protest. If the employees get a sour mood about it and give other customers worse service, all the better.
On the other hand, you're being an asshole to someone that has to stand there and take your shit because they have debts and a rent to pay. And, since they deal with people all day, they know that moving to another work place with a paper menu won't fix anything because there's always some asshole that will do their best to make them feel like crap.
Not to mention that the average person doesn't understand how online menus can be a problem. Most don't understand how tracking works, for example. So when you leave, things go back to normal because that was just one of those customers.
Menus on QR codes is a problem. People that behave like you are also a problem. I dislike both.
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#256I noticed a particularly dark pattern when I used Keeps, by Thirty Madison. They tell you, that you can cancel or pause at anytime but that is a lie. They over-prescribe their medication, and if you try to pause delivery, they automatically resume it after 3 months. You cannot pause, for longer than 3 months. If you want to cancel, you have to call them where they harass you into staying. This is not how you should d…
This is what chargebacks are for.
Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)
#257I had an experience like this today when I tried to use GlassDoor for the first time. As a student making my first ever job applications, I wanted to see what salaries and work environments were like at particular employers. GlassDoor did the same scroll-locking tactic (so an element zapper like Ublock Origin's wouldn't resolve the issue), instructing me to register or sign in to view any information. So I registered…
Sadly "giving up" on using "their" services is inconvenient to you a lot more than it's hurting them. Sure you can refuse to use Facebook and Glassdoor and Amazon and Google account authentication, but then you might as well grow a beard, puton some rags and go live in the woods as a hermit. World doesn't change coze some guy decides to stop talking showers because the water company is an abusing asshole. The correct…
> Sure you can refuse to use Facebook and Glassdoor and Amazon and Google account authentication, but then you might as well grow a beard, puton some rags and go live in the woods as a hermit.
This is a bizarrely extreme form of black and white thinking, and not one I understand. Most of what we do in life isn't about changing the world, it's about managing our experience of it.
Few people are deluded enough or so engaged with self-love that they think their ideas and behavior are world-changing.
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old.reddit.com
Its days are numbered, I think...
If they are then so are my days on reddit. The whole API debacle is already pretty rough for them. I can't imagine removing old.reddit could possibly be a good decision for them now. I have an account but only i choose when to use that account. If reddit removes choice, I'll remove reddit.
It's really striking though that all of this hate for these terrible dark patterns invariably ends in a statement like, 'leaving would honestly improve my life'. These companies have become so ingrained and good at attention economy that most people feel like it makes their lives worse, and yet also cannot stop. I have a feeling this whole social media ship could go the way of the opium wars is we don't change course soon
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#259Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sadly "giving up" on using "their" services is inconvenient to you a lot more than it's hurting them. Sure you can refuse to use Facebook and Glassdoor and Amazon and Google account authentication, but then you might as well grow a beard, puton some rags and go live in the woods as a hermit. World doesn't change coze some guy decides to stop talking showers because the water company is an abusing asshole. The correct…
> Sure you can refuse to use Facebook and Glassdoor and Amazon and Google account authentication, but then you might as well grow a beard, puton some rags and go live in the woods as a hermit. This is a bizarrely extreme form of black and white thinking, and not one I understand. Most of what we do in life isn't about changing the world, it's about managing our experience of it. Few people are deluded enough or so en…
You don't have to change the world, but if no one tries to change things that are bad, they will not change.
So don't have a defeatist attitude all the time, but once in a while try to actually have an impact. We will all be much better for it.
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#260Earlier quoted context omitted.
It doesn't have to be a nonprofit. There is nothing wrong with turning a profit. The problem is when the company's only goal is ever-increasing profit and they are willing to sacrifice the wellbeing of their employees, customers, and community to achieve it.
In the context you are using it, "profit" has a very specific meaning that's a little incongruent with what you're trying to say. In that context, "profit" is the idea that earnings above cost are distributed to shareholders. The stock market mechanism then guarantees that companies unconcerned with that sort of profit will see someone gobble up the shares once they dip low enough (and they will), install a new board…
Isn’t it possible to maintain ownership among founders and initial investors and maintain a minority share (It seems almost impossible to run a public company without having the place be taken over by bean counters these days.