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Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Post by randomdata »

Cerium wrote: post #229
randomdata wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A comment’s value rarely outlasts more than 24 hours, if that. Why hoard data?

That's crazy, most of the comments I read are months if not years old.

If I wrote something especially noteworthy, I'll likely remember in my mind forevermore. If memory loss does occur someday, oh well. Am I going to remember to care?

The rest served its purpose at the time, but isn't something I will ever want to look back on again. What do you find so interesting in your old work?

Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Post by e12e »

OldManRyan wrote: post #224
e12e wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This will be interesting if reddit conducts business (sells ads) in the EU. Hard to see how having such old backups of user content isn't in violation of the GDPR.

IANAL but having dealt with GDPR lawyers in a past career, GDPR allows you to anonymize user data as in, if there is no link between the user and the data, that satisfies a right to erasure request. That is not what is happening here but it is not as if reddit has no way to keep deleted comments and still be GDPR compliant.

> if there is no link between the user and the data, that satisfies a right to erasure request. That is not what is happening here

Clearly not, as the data and links to user profile has been restored.

> but it is not as if reddit has no way to keep deleted comments and still be GDPR compliant.

They would have to prove that the data is irreversibly anonymized - which is tricky. Say they keep threads by supplanting an opaque (guuid) user id - and a single message in a single thread mentions a users full name, phone number or email in a reply? Now all of that users messages are associated with a person....

Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Post by lolinder »

brucethemoose2 wrote: post #215
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But it could be argued you're 'defacing/destroying' digital property But it's your comment. While I'm sure there's legalese in the T's & C's that you hand over all rights to your comment over to Reddit or release it under a permissive license, that doesn't make it right or just. And I think reddit and other communities rely on keeping up the appearance that they respect you and your works, even if they're just shit…

They are not your comments. They are Reddit's. And TBH the perception of owning your comments doesn't really matter in the short term... people don't care, they just want to post. In the long term the actual content creators won't like it, but that is a problem for another owner.

It's not Reddit's content, it's your content and you grant them a license to it. The difference matters for a few reasons:

1. It means the cyber-vandalism law that the grandparent proposed wouldn't have any teeth here because it legally still belongs to you.

2. They can't change that provision because a good chunk of the TOS is about how the fact that it's your content means they're not liable for it. Their nonliability looks a lot fishier if they're also claiming copyright.

Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Post by nkrisc »

zoky wrote: post #149
username332211 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't read too much into it. It's not like the reddit community wasn't prone to paranoid suppositions. Just ask that moderator accused of being Ghislaine Maxwell.

Yeah, so, at first I scoffed at the notion as well, but I kept following up on it, and… are we really so sure that it wasn’t Ghislaine Maxwell? I kept looking for them to post something, anything… but nothing. https://old.reddit.com/user/maxwellhill/ All it would have taken is a single post to prove that it really wasn’t her, but no. Radio silence. For over three years. It’s not like somebody is protesting being defa…

This attitude is exactly why if I was the mod in question, I would just ditch the account. You're asking them to prove a negative, no amount of proof they could provide would ever be enough. They'd be forever hounded by internet lunatics.

Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Post by juujian »

Karunamon wrote: post #239
qzx_pierri wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huffman (spez) has his reasons for the reddit changes, but they do seem a bit short-sighted. But there comes a point where these online services have to make money. It's as simple as that. So is he waging war on users, or making a business decision? Also, Musk is waging war against advertisers. Running a site that is controlled by advertisers is the epitome of extreme centralization, since the site's income can be ha…

If it was indeed a business decision, then Huffman is breathtakingly incompetent. To the degree that, were the company public, I would be agitating for the board to remove him as his actions negatively impact my investment. A number of ways this could have been handled better in no particular order: 1. Give more than 30 days notice to third party app developers. 2. Mandate that third-party clients display advertising…

Even just a little bit of giving concessions to legacy customers would have been fine. It's not like you need to completely give up on your new pricing model just because your have existing customers. It's crab.

Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Post by piva00 »

reaperducer wrote: post #197
lumb63 wrote: post #132

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I’m astounded and confused that you and a lot of other commenters are giving Reddit the benefit of the doubt. At a time when tensions between Reddit management and its users are at an all-time high, and both sides are maliciously striking back and forth, most commenters are assuming that an act like this is due to incompetence rather than malice? I don’t understand the thought process.

you and a lot of other commenters are giving Reddit the benefit of the doubt It's what normal people did before the internet. People who didn't were known as lynch mobs, and were considered bad. Thanks to the web, it's now perfectly normal to believe the worst of people for no better reason than to fuel one's own anger issues.

> Thanks to the web, it's now perfectly normal to believe the worst of people for no better reason than to fuel one's own anger issues.

I believe that in this case it's more that Reddit's management has completely lost any sort of trust, it's not so much to fuel one's own anger issues but give the current context there's very little in terms of Reddit's management being trustworthy, transparent. Spez was caught lying in the open, how can one still have any trust they aren't lying in other aspects?

Let's agree that this particular case is not a baseless witch hunt, Reddit's management own dishonest actions have brought a dissatisfied lynching mob to them.

Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Post by bunga-bunga »

telmo wrote: post #117
nashashmi wrote: post #53

The Reddit wars have begun. Users were misled to believe they have power. And now are completely bewildered when they realize they don’t have as much power as they thought. The funny thing is that this is all over a stupid API that was causing more harm to Reddit than it was functioning as a public service. Apps were functioning as alternatives to the Reddit website and app. The whole thing about API back in 2000s is…

> Users were misled to believe they have power. And now are completely bewildered when they realize they don’t have as much power as they thought. First of all: if Reddit really is doing this, then it is committing an illegal act. At least in the EU, I'm sure in other jurisdictions also. There are in fact laws protecting the users. Second of all: Reddit cannot force users to post and moderate, and without those thing…

I think your thoughts are completely off. Removing users from power is definitely not illegal.

Digg lost because they changed the website, Reddit has not changed here.

> third-party apps are the only ones that are actually usable

In your opinion. Millions of users just use the site and official app.

> valueless replaceable cogs.

Which they are. Plenty of mods are ready to take care of popular subreddits.

Some users will be lost, but they are the minority.

The only mistake Reddit is making is by waiting too long to reign in the popular subreddits and allowing people to protest on Reddit’s own homepage.

Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Post by Kye »

Cerium wrote: post #229
randomdata wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A comment’s value rarely outlasts more than 24 hours, if that. Why hoard data?

That's crazy, most of the comments I read are months if not years old.

I've had some interesting discussions replying to 10+ year old comments I find in Google ever since Reddit allowed subs to opt in to replies to older threads.

Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Post by ohgodplsno »

brucethemoose2 wrote: post #215
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But it could be argued you're 'defacing/destroying' digital property But it's your comment. While I'm sure there's legalese in the T's & C's that you hand over all rights to your comment over to Reddit or release it under a permissive license, that doesn't make it right or just. And I think reddit and other communities rely on keeping up the appearance that they respect you and your works, even if they're just shit…

They are not your comments. They are Reddit's. And TBH the perception of owning your comments doesn't really matter in the short term... people don't care, they just want to post. In the long term the actual content creators won't like it, but that is a problem for another owner.

They are not Reddit's.

> The Services may contain information, text, links, graphics, photos, videos, audio, streams, or other materials (“Content”), including Content created with or submitted to the Services by you or through your Account (“Your Content”). We take no responsibility for and we do not expressly or implicitly endorse, support, or guarantee the completeness, truthfulness, accuracy, or reliability of any of Your Content.

> By submitting Your Content to the Services, you represent and warrant that you have all rights, power, and authority necessary to grant the rights to Your Content contained within these Terms. Because you alone are responsible for Your Content, you may expose yourself to liability if you post or share Content without all necessary rights.

> You retain any ownership rights you have in Your Content, but you grant Reddit the following license to use that Content:

This applies to all their users, not just EU. Only difference is that US TOS make you waive your moral rights. I grant Reddit a right to copy them, but they're mine. If I destroy them, Reddit no longer has them.

Which is really just one more proof that reddit's added value is about zero and that looking to profit from _my_ content shows really the kind of leeches that they are.

Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Post by goykasi »

reustle wrote: post #58
nik736 wrote: post #3

This is crazy! I like the following comment on kbin: > I said it before and I say it again: if you have the patience to do so then make sure you overwrite your content with chatgpt generated content, as the future AI that will feed on your post HATE feeding on already AI generated stuff. It makes the AI diverge. People should not be deleting their posts but actually just replacing them with random AI generated conten…

FIND ALL COMMENTS WHERE USER = 12345 AND UPDATED % is > 90%; REVERT ALL COMMENTS

I’m not sure what language you’re using, but I’m pretty sure you have a couple of syntax issues and unintended bugs in your code.

This definitely isn’t passing any reasonable code review.

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