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Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by roqi »

pdntspa wrote: post #132
btreecat wrote: post #118

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As someone who used to mod, jfc you're clearly one of the folks who was a problem if that's your opening position. I know that had you stepped up to help out one of your favorite subs, you'd have a different lense. You comment is v clearly just ignorant.

I have to agree with GP, I am part of several subreddits where the moderators clearly enjoy being kings of their precious little fiefdom. Some of these folks are downright fascists, and the only way to fix it is to start a new subreddit or try appeal to reddit staff Maybe the burden of moderation makes them this way, I don't know. But reddit is worse off with them.

> I have to agree with GP, I am part of several subreddits where the moderators clearly enjoy being kings of their precious little fiefdom.

You never used IRC, have you?

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by roqi »

mananaysiempre wrote: post #220
prions wrote: post #206

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How many times does the hard libertarian view on forums have to be debunked until people stop trying to pitch it as a serious solution? Even 4chan has stronger moderation than what you advocate

Um, I don’t think I was advocating any particular level of moderation, was I? More like visibility into its processes amd motivations, and that providing those convincingly and to an appropriate extent is the moderators’ responsibility. Dang’s please-stop-this essays here come to mind, for example—even if not everybody can be dang and not every community would be moved by such essays. (There are moderation practices…

> Um, I don’t think I was advocating any particular level of moderation, was I? More like visibility into its processes amd motivations, and that providing those convincingly and to an appropriate extent is the moderators’ responsibility.

If you are not advocating for a particular type of moderation then why are you all bothered about how any type of moderation is applied? What would be the point of your suggestion?

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by specialist »

jstarfish wrote: post #174
slg wrote: post #139

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You may be joking, but the specifics insults there are indicative of a certain worldview. OP only used words that would come from a small percentage of the population and insults that wouldn't be relevant on most subreddits. For example, these wouldn't be the insults you would here from anyone who qualifies as centrist or anything further right unless you are legitimately doing something wrong. There are also plenty…

> And if someone calls you a "transphobe" on some niche gardening subreddit, odds are you are doing something obnoxious and off topic that would upset the mods regardless of whether you are actually a transphobe. Gaslighting in action. To earn the Transphobe badge, all you have to do is complain about anyone else bringing up the subject of trans-anything on a niche gardening subreddit. Or refuse to boycott Harry Pott…

Another option is descretion. Why say anything at all? Especially knowing that it'll just keep the slap fight going?

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by nonethewiser »

btreecat wrote: post #118
unsupp0rted wrote: post #51

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This is why I’m excited for the Reddit third party apps change. In a few years nobody will remember that this is what precipitated the fall of Reddit. It’s already turned into an echo-chamber of nonsense, ruled by all-powerful mods to whom every user is a racist transphobe nazi homophobe enemy. Even the smaller subs catch the contagion year over year. I’ve been a Redditor since before the narwhal baconed at midnight.…

As someone who used to mod, jfc you're clearly one of the folks who was a problem if that's your opening position. I know that had you stepped up to help out one of your favorite subs, you'd have a different lense. You comment is v clearly just ignorant.

Can you elaborate how you “know” this? Or why you think it? It just looks like you’re triggered.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by nonethewiser »

btreecat wrote: post #238
torstenvl wrote: post #215

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GP expressed an opinion about abusive moderators. Your response is to disagree with him, identify yourself as a moderator, and then... be abusive? How exactly did you think that profanity and personal attacks were going to help make your point?

[flagged]

But there could be a mod problem and a problem with regular users. You seemed trapped in some tug of war.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by specialist »

slg wrote: post #139
adamrezich wrote: post #127

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"that's just what a racist transphobe nazi homophobe enemy would say!", basically?

You may be joking, but the specifics insults there are indicative of a certain worldview. OP only used words that would come from a small percentage of the population and insults that wouldn't be relevant on most subreddits. For example, these wouldn't be the insults you would here from anyone who qualifies as centrist or anything further right unless you are legitimately doing something wrong. There are also plenty…

> the specifics insults there are indicative of a certain worldview

If it walks like a duck...

A partial defense is the reactionaries are quite good at mainstreaming their blather. For example, a few of us fell for Haidt's moral foundations nonsense, if only briefly.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by tyingq »

mdasen wrote: post #198
tyingq wrote: post #58

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Site owners just aren't going to be excited about stealing the most important bit of real estate and putting buttons there that navigate away from your site, that the end user presumably chose to navigate to. And other problems, like breaking bookmarking, no SEO benefits from the "link", etc. The selfishness of it is obvious if you think through what would happen if someone posted one of these dig iframed urls to ano…

I'd think that too, but site owners were perfectly happy to go with Google's AMP for a while (maybe still). They put a big "X" to close out of the article and go back to Google in a bar at the top as well as horizontal swiping to get to other versions of the story at other publishers. I agree that site owners shouldn't like this behavior. Still, we've seen cases where content owners have welcomed things against their…

The carrot for AMP was inclusion in the SERP carousel. That's why they put up with it. I don't think many actually liked AMP.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by roqi »

b59831 wrote: post #228
btreecat wrote: post #118

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As someone who used to mod, jfc you're clearly one of the folks who was a problem if that's your opening position. I know that had you stepped up to help out one of your favorite subs, you'd have a different lense. You comment is v clearly just ignorant.

> As someone who used to mod ... I'm pretty sure you were the problem

> I'm pretty sure you were the problem

What problem is that?

Your comment reads like a puerile "no u" and adds nothing to the discussion. It's quite ironic given the topic.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by _qxau »

ubercore wrote: post #17
biorach wrote: post #10

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Nah, this has been very well known since decades and is very easy to spot.

Yeah this is covered in pretty much every style guide, tutorial, and reference. And is an easy screener in an interview. I'm also surprised anyone using Python as more than a toy experiment had this issue, especially in such a critical service.

I've worked on a lot of Python as a hobbyist and student, much of it in real world use - probably at least 100kloc - and I've never encountered this. Where is this information? I'm worried that I'm missing some other "obvious" things. I've of course run into python's shallow vs deep copies, but I don't remember default values being shared between invocations.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by stronglikedan »

btreecat wrote: post #118
unsupp0rted wrote: post #51

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This is why I’m excited for the Reddit third party apps change. In a few years nobody will remember that this is what precipitated the fall of Reddit. It’s already turned into an echo-chamber of nonsense, ruled by all-powerful mods to whom every user is a racist transphobe nazi homophobe enemy. Even the smaller subs catch the contagion year over year. I’ve been a Redditor since before the narwhal baconed at midnight.…

As someone who used to mod, jfc you're clearly one of the folks who was a problem if that's your opening position. I know that had you stepped up to help out one of your favorite subs, you'd have a different lense. You comment is v clearly just ignorant.

Unfortunately, GP is more correct than incorrect in their opening position. And that's partally to blame for the fall of what was a once great community, so it's relevant to point that out.
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