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SEC Sues Binance and CEO Zhao for Breaking US Securities Rules

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Re: SEC Sues Binance and CEO Zhao for Breaking US Securities Rules

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I get why you would say something like that in astonishment. By why would you ever send that out over a medium that'll leave a paper trail? Thank goodness that criminals aren't very smart. Their idiocy is doing society a huge favor.

Oh that's easy- this was the compliance officer, and by showing that he raised concerns over this he may be able to claim that he did his job as best he could under the circumstances. I'd need to see the rest of the context, but this could very well be a "cover your ass" message. Imagine if you're a security officer at a company and were just overridden on a decisions- you'd definitely want to shoot off an email desc…

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Re: SEC Sues Binance and CEO Zhao for Breaking US Securities Rules

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Come on. I'm no fan of Biden, but your comment doesn't even make sense. SBF is going to jail.

That was after the company collapsed.

Yes and everyone thought Enron was the greatest until their fraud was exposed. When you have minimal transparency it's really easy to cook the books and look good. That's like half the point of regulations around public companies.

Re: SEC Sues Binance and CEO Zhao for Breaking US Securities Rules

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Some evidence that the Howey test isn't that objective and clear: 1) Gary Gensler, now SEC chairman, used to claim that 3/4 of the cryptocurrency market were not securities[0]. He has changed his tune significantly since then. 2) The SEC chairman can't answer this simple question: "is Ethereum a commodity or a security?"[1]. [0] https://twitter.com/ZK_shark/status/1650689125580668931 [1] https://youtu.be/h_oAr4wn7M4?…

> Gary Gensler, now SEC chairman, used to claim that 3/4 of the cryptocurrency market were not securities[0]. He has changed his tune significantly since then. Has he? Most of the market is Bitcoin and Ethereum. To my knowledge, the SEC hasn't gone after anyone solely cashing trading those. > 2) The SEC chairman can't answer this simple question: "is Ethereum a commodity or a security? He also doesn't have to answer…

The fact that there have or haven't been enforcement actions against X or Y shouldn't be how we're supposed to determine what is or isn't illegal. There should be a speed limit (65mph) and if you drive over the speed limit, you should know you're violating the law. If the speed limit is "if the cops pull you over, you violated the law" then we have no clarity for entrepreneurs. At least some level of clarity for entrepreneurs is critical to a healthy economy.

Re: SEC Sues Binance and CEO Zhao for Breaking US Securities Rules

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> In one instance, the Binance chief compliance officer messaged a colleague that, “[w]e are operating as a fking unlicensed securities exchange in the USA bro.” Source: https://twitter.com/JohnReedStark/status/1665748594421297152 This is a legendary quote from the filing.

I get why you would say something like that in astonishment. By why would you ever send that out over a medium that'll leave a paper trail? Thank goodness that criminals aren't very smart. Their idiocy is doing society a huge favor.

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Re: SEC Sues Binance and CEO Zhao for Breaking US Securities Rules

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> In one instance, the Binance chief compliance officer messaged a colleague that, “[w]e are operating as a fking unlicensed securities exchange in the USA bro.” Source: https://twitter.com/JohnReedStark/status/1665748594421297152 This is a legendary quote from the filing.

I get why you would say something like that in astonishment. By why would you ever send that out over a medium that'll leave a paper trail? Thank goodness that criminals aren't very smart. Their idiocy is doing society a huge favor.

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Re: SEC Sues Binance and CEO Zhao for Breaking US Securities Rules

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The SEC and CFTC missed FTX being the worlds largest fraud. Now they are desperately going after Binance for... being above board but not getting the right license, during a period when no licenses were offered (and still aren't). At what point is this just pointless bullshit, let exchanges register, regulate them like other exchanges (segregated funds etc) and fuck off already.

Your bias is showing.

Re: SEC Sues Binance and CEO Zhao for Breaking US Securities Rules

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post #40

> In one instance, the Binance chief compliance officer messaged a colleague that, “[w]e are operating as a fking unlicensed securities exchange in the USA bro.” Source: https://twitter.com/JohnReedStark/status/1665748594421297152 This is a legendary quote from the filing.

I get why you would say something like that in astonishment. By why would you ever send that out over a medium that'll leave a paper trail? Thank goodness that criminals aren't very smart. Their idiocy is doing society a huge favor.

> Thank goodness that criminals aren't very smart

No, the criminals are extremely smart. Its just that these were amateurs who didnt know that in Anglosaxon common law, you have to avoid being honest about anything and even deny any wrongdoing even if you get caught the act of murdering someone. Then you can exercise plausible deniability, claim incompetence or mental incapacity and you can negotiate your sentence. Any kind of honesty works against you in the US law as a result. That's how you end up with people who are total experts in their field testifying in courts that they "didnt know" that something they did would cause so much harm to something or somebody or the society.

As of this very moment, thousands of much, much bigger corporations are actually destroying the entire US society in a real way and not like these amateurs who were just shuffling some funny money. But the real psychos know how common law works. There wont be any trail of their wrongdoing, and when there is, there will always be plausible deniability in that trail...

Re: SEC Sues Binance and CEO Zhao for Breaking US Securities Rules

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An essential point to bear in mind in these crimes: each one involves a victim who is, crucially, not a willing participant. People who participate in buying or selling cryptocurrency are willing participants.

> Bribing the court >> each one involves a victim who is, crucially, not a willing participant. People who participate in buying or selling cryptocurrency are willing participants. The corrupt judge and barrister are very much willing. The negative effect is borne by a third party. Same with crypto. The buyer and seller are happy as can be. Then the rest of us have to pay to investigate, extradite, charge and liquida…

SBF and FTX were charged for bribery and fraud, there were victims.
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