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Post by junon »

piaste wrote: post #183
junon wrote: post #169

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I really, really liked a lot of Opera's ideas. I think someone on that team really understood good UI design principles, at least at the feature level. If memory serves it included an IRC client at least, and maybe even an FTP client? Can't remember about the latter, but definitely the former. Perhaps a bit "bloated" for its time, but it was always pretty sleek to use. In fact I don't exactly remember why it never be…

> Looking at it now, it seems to have an identity crisis now. Opera was sold to a Chinese company in the mid-10s and introduced suspicious stuff like a built-in free VPN. It is basically ignored nowadays. The original CEO started Vivaldi, which is an excellent browser in terms of features - tiling tabs [0] were a favourite of mine. Unfortunately it is closed-source and chatty [1], but I still like on devices where pr…

Yuck, what a disgustingly misleading front page then. I installed it today after it was mentioned and played with it and really like it, but this is worse than Ungoogled Chromium. I guess I won't be switching to it. Thanks for the heads up.

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Post by imtringued »

bradgessler wrote: post #92

The more enhancements I see browser vendors making to tabs, the more I think they’re reinventing bookmarks/favorites. Safari introduced “tab groups” a while back, which to me is an insane mess of complexity. When I think about it though they’re just folders and each tab is a bookmark/favorite. The vertical tabs in Brave remind me of bookmarks/favorites too.

I have so many bookmarks which I have never revisited ever.

What counts isn't some abstract storage concept but the UI and UX to manage them. Bookmarks are this drawer in your basement where you have to actively spend energy to find them. Tree tabs are self organizing. How they are are stored is irrelevant to me.

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Post by niutech »

sphars wrote: post #89
ojkelly wrote: post #83

The more I think about this, the more convinced I am that I want a browser that functions like an IDE. Multiple panes with tabs, that can be resized either to custom sizes or automatically (binary space partitioning). It’s too much for a general purpose browser, which is how we’ve got the Chrome, Safari, Firefox we have. But I think the appeal of a more information-dense browser is broader than we think, anyone doing…

Vivaldi can do tab tiling. Not nearly as customizable as an IDE as you describe, but you can vertically or horizontally tile multiple tabs on the same "page". Only browser I know that has that close of functionality https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/tabs/tab-tiling/

Check out my Split Browser (https://github.com/niutech/splitbrowser), currently alpha.

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Post by niutech »

ojkelly wrote: post #83

The more I think about this, the more convinced I am that I want a browser that functions like an IDE. Multiple panes with tabs, that can be resized either to custom sizes or automatically (binary space partitioning). It’s too much for a general purpose browser, which is how we’ve got the Chrome, Safari, Firefox we have. But I think the appeal of a more information-dense browser is broader than we think, anyone doing…

Try Otter Browser, which has an MDI interface, or my Split Browser (https://github.com/niutech/splitbrowser)

Re: Brave Browser introduces vertical tabs

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Post by niutech »

Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #168
ojkelly wrote: post #83

The more I think about this, the more convinced I am that I want a browser that functions like an IDE. Multiple panes with tabs, that can be resized either to custom sizes or automatically (binary space partitioning). It’s too much for a general purpose browser, which is how we’ve got the Chrome, Safari, Firefox we have. But I think the appeal of a more information-dense browser is broader than we think, anyone doing…

Early versions of Opera (maybe 20 years ago or so, I don't remember when exactly) had real MDI, where the tabs were subwindows rather than actual tabs. You could arrange them however you wanted, tile, cascade, etc. For me, it was the pinnacle of browser UI. Everything that came after that (including of course later iterations of Opera, which removed the MDI) has been considerably worse.

Otter Browser still has MDI.

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Post by niutech »

nomel wrote: post #80
Cyberdog wrote: post #69

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OmniWeb was great! I think Opera still did it first, though. I moved on to Safari after it died, but I missed vertical tabs dearly and still do. Hopefully this idea catches on well enough for the Safari team to finally steal it.

Yes, I remember Opera having it around that same time, and Firefox having a plugin to copy it. I think the Firefox plugin had full "tab tree" support though. I believe it died after one of the many updates that changed how plugins worked, although I haven't checked in a couple of decades to see if something similar has appeared.

You can still have tab tree in Firefox using Tree Style Tab (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta...)

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Post by nsonha »

FractalHQ wrote: post #245
nsonha wrote: post #194

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Arc Browser does it but currently closed beta, I have spare invitations if you need.

It’s highly limited compared to the tiling in Vivaldi. You can only tile 2 tabs at a time. Arc also doesn’t seem to have horizontal tabs so you lose 10-20% of your screen space to the vertical tabs bar which gets annoying. I do like Arc but there are some basic things missing that make it hard to use.

Maybe you tried it a while ago? You can tile unlimited tabs either horizontally or vertically (but not both). I've never found any reason to tile any thing vertically anyway, the web just isn't designed for small horizontal windows.

I use an ultrawide 32" screen and even for window tilling I use PaperWM (technically a Hammerspoon script because PaperWM isn't on MacOS). So I only need to navigate windows/tabs in one dimension (horizontally).

Arc does have the benefits of native UI, Vivaldi at least when I tried a couple of months ago was very janky, presumably because the browser chrome is written in React.

Somewhere in this thread people mentioned Stack browser which is actually closer to PaperWM in terms of how it tiles tabs. For both Arc and Vivaldi it's very annoying if you resize (going fullscreen and back) windows with tiles because the size of the tiles gets messed up. Stack just keeps the size and make them scrollable.

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Post by nsonha »

nsonha wrote: post #209
djcannabiz wrote: post #99

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After taking a glance at their website, this seems quite similar to the arc browser. Have you tried arc, and if so how do you think they compare?

To save you time trying it out, their implementation of tiling is better than that of Arc. Unfortunately it suffers the same problem most mainstream browsers do: broken pinned tabs, and there is no pinned tab groups like Arc

correct: there IS tabs/groups pinning, just no extensions support, for now.

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Post by RileyJames »

dmytrish wrote: post #215
RileyJames wrote: post #91

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I’d be keen to try something like that out. I’ve been using pop os for the past few months and I’ve fallen in love with its snapping window manager. I have a 4K screen plus the laptop (xps 13). I can have two browsers open, then my ide. And then terminal on the laptop screen. And I can easily slide the divider between the ide and browsers as necessary based on what requires the most space at the time. Only issues I’v…

Sway (and i3?) actually has the notion of containers, which can contain multiple windows and can be selected and manipulated as a unit. It works nicely. The only thing that I haven't automated yet is that I have a rather specific workspace layout on my 4k screen and converting it from/to a laptop-screen workspace when unplugged takes a few steps.

Interesting. I’ll take a look.

Yes, plugging and unplugging is a major pain. I often find my windows re-appear on the wrong screen. And sometimes the wrong desktop… which is weird.

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Post by Tagbert »

Torwald wrote: post #162
Tagbert wrote: post #115

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For me, tab groups are nothing like bookmarks. Tab groups are a way of managing already open tabs in related group; showing and hiding groups as you need them. I use a similar tool in Firefox and I always have tabs related to about 4-5 projects open at once. I use the tab group tool to switch between the tabs by project so I only need to deal with 10-15 tabs at once. These are tabs that I don’t want to close as they…

Care to share the Ff plug-in you use? Would you recommend it or is another tool in that space better?

Panorama Tab Groups

There are some others, but I haven't tried a wide range of them. Panorama does what I need.

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