Still waiting for generated content to legally not be copyright able at all. IMHO only move that makes sense. Also refusing to call this AI. All of this is light years away from AI.
Japan’s government will not enforce copyrights on data used in AI training
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#252Not trying to express an opinion on the legal matter, but as a technical matter it's pretty obvious that LLMs create copies of (some of) their training data. Here's GPT-3.5 reciting the Declaration of Independence: https://chat.openai.com/share/eb30c373-7fec-4280-892d-479567... Unless you're claiming that GPT-3.5 is deriving the Declaration of Independence (from information about the founding fathers?) I don't see ho…
I am so excited to see what happens when Japan forces all closed source software and Disney cartoons into the corpus out of fairness.
Seems like there should be no complaint, right? It's not like anyone can see the Windows 11 source code, it's only being used for training.
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#253Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you have concrete examples? I recently moved from Japan to Europe after 10 years in Japan and while some things seemed old-fashioned in Japan, things also change overnight there. During Covid most companies changed to digital signing. In Japan I often needed a paper from the city, but it was an easy-to-obtain printout I could get immediately from city hall or even from 7-11. I tend to require the same papers in Eu…
> Example 1: get ID card at the airport when you emigrate to japan. In Europe it takes 2-3 months. Yeah now have fun going through the process of renewing a My Number card. Go to city hall (during the hours when it's open), fill in a form, wait 2-3 months to get a notification that your replacement card has been made, then you have to book an appointment during office hours at city hall to pick it up (likely taking a…
Thankfully the mynumber card is supposed to not be compulsory. (I do have one)
What is awful is just the ridiculous number of errors I find when going through the process. My card in theory has the wrong expiration date, (checked in, they said the expiration date on the card is always correct so IDK) but it is 10 years off, when comparedto the ones owned by the rest of my family who got the card in the same year.
They also keep absolutely screwing up the data security in relation to the mynumber cards. Just last month there was another data breach. Sources are in Japanese but I can dig them up if you want. But I think it's run the entire gauntlet of every conceivable issue.
Data stolen online? Check
Wrong insurance information, either inputted wrong or linked to the wrong person? Check
Swapped birth certificates? Check
Printing service provides sensitive documents for the wrong person? Check
I'm just lucky enough to not be the one who got his data stolen... for now.
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#255What's surprising here is that Japan is usually crazy gung ho on copyright enforcement ... at least against individuals. So it's kind of disgusting to see this relaxation, when it suits some corporate or national interests. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_sharing_in_Japan "Unlike most other countries, filesharing copyrighted content is not just a civil offense, but a criminal one, with penalties of up to ten years…
I see the other way around, their usual crazy gung ho on copyright enforcement against individuals is disgusting. This new stance is marvellous and examplifies how free people should interact.
Don’t get your hopes up, because the article is a complete lie. If you look at the original Japanese source, the minister was just reaffirming the current legal status. Neither politicians mentioned in the article expressed any hint of endorsement. The fact that they were even discussing copyright and AI likely means that more regulation is upcoming.
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#256If you're not going to socialize AI gains, and leave in place the social systems that value people by their output, waiving copyright or other IP is astoundingly anti-humane. What should be instead is that fair use doesn't apply to AI training. That is, anything other than explicitly negotiated opt-in should be illegal.
Eh, I disagree. Copyright laws are mostly bullshit anyway, and only tend to favor capital holders, who tend to buy up all the copyright they need. I would gladly see copyright rendered useless. The peasantry hardly benefits from it anyway.
I don't think you understand what's being proposed here. I expect that, as today, the AI output will absolutely be copyrighted and strictly protected against any attempt to copy it by others. However these protections won't apply to the inputs a company will use to train the AI.
...and oh yeah, if the Sam Altmans of the world get their way you'll need a license from the government to run your own AI model.
We might go from a regime that "tends to favor capital holders" to one where the IP rights of the capital holders are largely the same as today, while yours are effectively non-existent.
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#257Earlier quoted context omitted.
In my experience with Japan local IC/NFC credit card, I've never signed when I use CC in recent 5 years but PIN is sometimes needed. Do you use magnetic stripe CC?
>Do you use magnetic stripe CC. All my cards have an IC, however they were Australian cards. Perhaps it's an additional step for foreign credit/debit cards?
I don't know much about CC, but possibly difference of PIN method can be a reason. Possibly like merchant only support offline PIN vs your card only support online PIN?
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#258I testified to the US Copyright Office this morning on AI in their roundtable session on AI and music[1]. A good portion of the focus of this panel was on whether copyrighted inputs (in this case, sound recordings and musical compositions) being fed into AI models for training purposes could plausibly constitute a fair use under existing US copyright law. Some of the comments here are missing the context of the recen…
>We (rightsholders in the music industry)
Considering the decades (maybe half a century soon?) of parasitic behavior of the music industry to almost everything tech, from early internet to mp3 players to torrenting to streaming to lobbying for insane copy right laws, you guys calling Japan's approach "Short-sighted" is like the single best praise anyone could give them.
For the absolute awful organization JASRAC [1](Japanese music industry, who couple of years back stated that they will sue music teacher teaching their copy-righted materials to students in private, if they didn't pay a licensing fee) maybe Japan for once pushed through a good legislation?
https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20220930/p2a/00m/0et/01...
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#259Looking forward to the DRM arms race if this is how the courts come down on this in the US.
In most of the world including the US, the output side is considered non-copyright instead, due to the non-personality of the creator. The UK is a fringe exception here.
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#260Japan also ranks 3rd (behind the USA & India, with larger populations) in ChatGPT usage: https://www.demandsage.com/chatgpt-statistics/ There's also been discussion of their government using ChatGPT to reduce red tape: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-04-18/japan-gov... It's cool to see Japan and Japanese culture taking techno-optimist stances on AI.
As I posted to another thread last week [1], I have been surprised by the quick rise in awareness and use of ChatGPT in Japan—despite its production of Japanese being not quite as good as that of English [2, 3].
Although I have seen discussions of AI safety and alignment issues in the Japanese press, those concerns seem less dominant than in discussions in English outside Japan.
There also seems to be less focus on the possibility of people losing their jobs to AI.
One reason may be the employment situation in Japan. For both legal and cultural reasons, it is difficult for companies here to lay off full-time employees. If advances in technology render some employees redundant, companies will try to retrain or reassign them rather than letting them go. (Freelancers are not protected, though, and I know some translators and illustrators worried about losing work to generative AI.)
Also, there is currently a labor shortage here, partly for demographic reasons, and a lot of white-collar workers are perceived as not being as productive as they could be. Generative AI may be seen as a way to make the existing human workforce more productive.
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36078823
[2] Yesterday, as a test, I had GPT-4 compose some business e-mails in both Japanese and English based on bullet points I provided to it in the respective languages. The English e-mails were, to my eye, perfect, while the Japanese ones sounded a bit awkward in places.
[3] I live in Japan and read and speak both Japanese and English.