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Tell HN: We should start to add “ai.txt” as we do for “robots.txt”

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Re: Tell HN: We should start to add “ai.txt” as we do for “robots.txt”

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post #170

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and why should "creative expression" be owned?

Why should land be owned? None of us created the planet... But we have selected an economic system that depends on ownership to drive exchange in a market, so... that's why.

> Why should land be owned?

it shouldn't. Or, well, it should, but it should be the one and only thing taxed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgism

Re: Tell HN: We should start to add “ai.txt” as we do for “robots.txt”

#252

If AI is using training data from your site, presumably it got that data by crawling it. So either it's already respecting robots.txt, in which case ai.txt would be redundant, or it's ignoring it, in which case there's no reason to expect it would respect ai.txt any more than it did robots.txt.

exactly, but nobody in their sane minds would be using robots.txt to block crawlers as that is SEO (organic traffic from searches) disaster.

People could be adding a specific robot user-agent, if they knew openai even existed before yesterday and was stealing their content. but nobody did.

Re: Tell HN: We should start to add “ai.txt” as we do for “robots.txt”

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post #204

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Why should land be owned? None of us created the planet... But we have selected an economic system that depends on ownership to drive exchange in a market, so... that's why.

I'd argue that land is owned because it's a finite resource, and that without property ownership people would be in conflict with one another. "Creative expression" is not finite, in fact every human possesses it, it's also intangible, it's ideas, thoughts, ... , which I personally do not believe should be owned.

People are still in conflict with each other for property ownership, so it's not solved

The ownership, with heavy taxes on that ownership, pushes towards making sure people benefit from the land.

Re: Tell HN: We should start to add “ai.txt” as we do for “robots.txt”

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Using robots.txt as a model for anything doesn't work. All a robots.txt is is a polite request to please follow the rules in it, there is no "legal" agreement to follow those rules, only a moral imperative. Robots.txt has failed as a system, if it hadn't we wouldn't have captchas or Cloudflare. In the age of AI we need to better understand where copyright applies to it, and potentially need reform of copyright to ali…

I have the belief that models should be allowed to ingest everything, just as a human is allowed. We are not yet at the stage where AI is autonomous, they currently are designed to require human agency for input, human agency for evaluation of output, and finally human agency for the dissemination of select output. This last important stage is well understood in the field of photography, but currently ignored in AI s…

I like your view. From my limited knowledge, I speculate that if AI was developed further, and given as much publicly available data across a variety of scholarly topics as reasonably possible, it could potentially use statistics and such to help us find correlations across many different fields that a human would never think of. Whether it would revolutionize analytics or not I don't know as I am not qualified to say, but it's fun to dream of positive change these tools could bring.

Re: Tell HN: We should start to add “ai.txt” as we do for “robots.txt”

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> "We" now want stricter copyright law when it comes to AI, but at the same time shorter copyright duration... This gross generalization of other people's views on important issues is really offensive. My view is that the Copyright Act of 1976 had it about right when they established the duration of copyright. My view is that members of Congress were handsomely rewarded by a specific corporation to carve out special…

> Don't recruit me into some bullshit argument that rewrites history and entrenches Disney's ill-gotten monopoly. You don't think it's them being allowed to buy Marvel, Pixar, Lucasfilm? Is creativity ruined because I can't make a Mickey Mouse cartoon or t-shirt? Does the world need Luke Skywalker coming from any individual studio? People are free to make the Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Hunchback of Notre D…

> People are free to make the Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Hunchback of Notre Dame, Aladdin, etc. and there's nothing out there that stops them.

IP law reasonably does. See: https://trademarks.justia.com/852/28/the-little-mermaid-8522...

Re: Tell HN: We should start to add “ai.txt” as we do for “robots.txt”

#256

Using robots.txt as a model for anything doesn't work. All a robots.txt is is a polite request to please follow the rules in it, there is no "legal" agreement to follow those rules, only a moral imperative. Robots.txt has failed as a system, if it hadn't we wouldn't have captchas or Cloudflare. In the age of AI we need to better understand where copyright applies to it, and potentially need reform of copyright to ali…

> "We" now want stricter copyright law when it comes to AI, but at the same time shorter copyright duration...

I don’t know who “we” are, but I absolutely don't want “stricter copyright law when it comes to AI”. More clarity? Sure. Narrowing fair use? No fucking way.

Re: Tell HN: We should start to add “ai.txt” as we do for “robots.txt”

#257

Using robots.txt as a model for anything doesn't work. All a robots.txt is is a polite request to please follow the rules in it, there is no "legal" agreement to follow those rules, only a moral imperative. Robots.txt has failed as a system, if it hadn't we wouldn't have captchas or Cloudflare. In the age of AI we need to better understand where copyright applies to it, and potentially need reform of copyright to ali…

> "We" now want stricter copyright law when it comes to AI, but at the same time shorter copyright duration... This gross generalization of other people's views on important issues is really offensive. My view is that the Copyright Act of 1976 had it about right when they established the duration of copyright. My view is that members of Congress were handsomely rewarded by a specific corporation to carve out special…

But in more general view Disney being an international media giant is good for US, isn't it?

Re: Tell HN: We should start to add “ai.txt” as we do for “robots.txt”

#258

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Stealing does not require physical force.

So again, I guess you’re stealing from me by coming up with the same idea that I had.

You're being disingenuous.

I would be stealing if I prevented you from making money from it.

Re: Tell HN: We should start to add “ai.txt” as we do for “robots.txt”

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JPEG has EXIF, MP3 has ID3 tags, MP4 has ilst, MKV has Tags, etc. We don't need xkcd/927 for these other formats that already have standard metadata mechanisms.

Yeah, and if you make it that complex to extract consent you won't get any. Think one step ahead maybe. One switch, one thing to parse.

1. OP said “what it is about, when was it published, the author, etc.” That’s what these mechanisms already cover. Consent is an interesting possibility that I’ll admit something like ai.txt might be better for, but my post was largely focused on the OP.

2. These are all complex formats. If you want to ingest and process them then you already have to build all the hard parts. Getting the metadata out is dead simple compared to parsing, decoding, and then processing an image, for example.

Re: Tell HN: We should start to add “ai.txt” as we do for “robots.txt”

#260
Put a blockchain wallet address or even multiples on different blockchains in the ai.txt to collect your shares of what the AI makes from your data + website. This is a fair way to solve the attribution problem. Similar to the robots.txt file this is not a hard enforcement but a way how responsible AI can differentiate itself from the rest.
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