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The Framework Laptop 13

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Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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The questions I always ask: - Does it have atlest two m.2 slots? - Can I have WIFI and WWAN (5G)? - Can this fit 4 RAM sticks? (96-128G RAM) - Does it have a 4k display? (it's 2023, come on!) Still not many computers do offer these parameters :-( I'd love to have Framework laptop if it would offer these parameters.

I think you should be waiting for their 16" model.

I absolutely will be :-) And I really hope that it will have these features as I would really love to have Framework laptop and support RtR!

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

#252
post #17

I've been waiting for this machine for so long, excited to see the actual CPU unveil. I may be out of date, but is the issue with not entering sleep mode properly resolved? That's a huge issue to me. Aside from Framework, does anyone suggest any other existing laptops that keep a fairly slim design while also offering lots of user repairability? I've had an okay experience with my Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen 3, but she's…

I got a brand new 12th gen intel Framework 13 and it still cannot enter sleep correctly. If it falls asleep due to battery, it reboots. Framework forums report tons of people with the same problem.

It's pretty annoying.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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post #109
post #99

The questions I always ask: - Does it have atlest two m.2 slots? - Can I have WIFI and WWAN (5G)? - Can this fit 4 RAM sticks? (96-128G RAM) - Does it have a 4k display? (it's 2023, come on!) Still not many computers do offer these parameters :-( I'd love to have Framework laptop if it would offer these parameters.

Can I ask what workloads you’re running where 8TB storage and 64gb ram aren’t enough? On a laptop…

My laptop is my primary and only work machine. I run a lot of VMs and operations on some bigg-ish datasets.

RAM disks are quite a good way to expedite these things - along with two SSDs.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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post #99

The questions I always ask: - Does it have atlest two m.2 slots? - Can I have WIFI and WWAN (5G)? - Can this fit 4 RAM sticks? (96-128G RAM) - Does it have a 4k display? (it's 2023, come on!) Still not many computers do offer these parameters :-( I'd love to have Framework laptop if it would offer these parameters.

If you need 128GB of RAM then a 13 inch laptop is not what you need.

Honestly I'd go for ~15" or similar, but that's not the option (yet).

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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post #77

There's a "Ryzen AI" on these AMD cores that is really a modest sized fpga, supposedly. Linux has been landing some support for interfacing with this- calling it XDNA (on a new "CDX" bus) - but no signs yet that users can program it. Would be a fun thing to get exposed to users. Fingers crossed that actually happens; I could definitely see this being very vendored up, that it ends up only really running a couple pred…

Am I reading this right? * There's a decent built-in gpu * Or I can plug an external gpu into the back * Or I can rip out the mainboard on an old Framework and pop this one in * Or I can pop this mainboard into a Cooler Master case or some rando 3D printed case and have a PC which can sit on my desktop, underneath my TV, etc. (Granted this thing probably won't have the horsepower of a real desktop but for a lot of wo…

Yes, decent iGPU. But no on an external GPU in the back since this is for the 13" which has no modular bay for internal GPU (They mean a USB4 -> PCIe dock for the external GPU).

There IS a 16" coming that will let you plugin a dedicated GPU.

I will probably order this (or it's next version) one for my machine in 18 - 30 months since mine is only ~6 months old.

edit: and apologies if I mis-understood or am being pedantic

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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post #17

I've been waiting for this machine for so long, excited to see the actual CPU unveil. I may be out of date, but is the issue with not entering sleep mode properly resolved? That's a huge issue to me. Aside from Framework, does anyone suggest any other existing laptops that keep a fairly slim design while also offering lots of user repairability? I've had an okay experience with my Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen 3, but she's…

I've been daily driving a 12th-gen Framework on Fedora 36/37. Sleep itself has worked flawless, although you'll get a graphics driver freeze/crash every odd resume if you don't disable "panel self refresh."[0] I revert this setting every kernel update to see if it's fixed and have not encountered it on 6.2.12 so YMMV. I kind of assumed this was a Linux quirk and that Windows would be fine, but I haven't tried it. [0]…

yes it's a know issue with the linux GPU driver for the intel integrated graphics, I think it was specific to the 12th gen or even just a subset of 12th gen but I'm not sure

11th gen doesn't have this issue, but is ...well... 11th gen if you know what I mean

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wasn't being super fair nor nice, but I very much felt like I was trying to combat gatekeeping. I was advocating for open & possible, against someone who was trying to shut people down. Intel has 160 Gbps of throughput available for connectivity. You might be able to physically get data to all the same devices with AMD, but at much reduced bandwidth, and the job wont be as easy. And you won't be able to use thunder…

> And you won't be able to use thunderbolt peripherals like external GPUs, if those are available. USB4 is Thunderbolt and the article explicitly mentions eGPUs work.

USB4 definitely does not require PCIe transport. (it does however require DisplayPort.) Once you have usb4 though, yeah, adding PCIe shouldn't be that much more work-you've already done the hard stuff. Which is part of why I've felt so cheated, thinking AMD hasn't done PCIe in their usb4.

This is, if true, very good news.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been using an AX210 on a Ryzen based laptop since early 2022. I initially had issues with it causing the laptop to lockup hard, if iwlwifi module (AX210 driver) was loaded, on resume from suspend to disk. It was easy to work around using a hook script to down the interface and unload the module before suspend, and reload + up interface if it had been up at time of suspend. S3 suspend to ram / resume worked fine…

"It was easy..." - that doesn't sound that easy to me. I've honestly never had to do something like that to get linux working. Or maybe I'm too lazy and tried to work around things like that.

You just drop a script into a "special" directory, and the scripts are run in alphabetical order with arguments that tell them if they are being called for a suspend or resume, and the type of suspend. Non-systemd, it is part of the acpi stuff. Systemd has its own special dir '/usr/lib/systemd/system-sleep' (there is no equivalent under /etc; and creating one yourself will not work). I don't recall the directory the acpi hook scripts used (it has been a while... ?something like /etc/acpid/hooks.d?), but it worked pretty much the same way. Supposedly you can use systemd targets to accomplish the same, but when I tried that, it was very unreliable-- apparently unreliable for others too since the special systemd dir exists, and the distribution is using it for its own hooks (Poettering has said it might go away at some point, though :/).

The original dumb version (written in anger, after the first time the laptop crashed on resume post installing the Intel card, and a bit of testing to isolate it to the iwlwifi module) was just a few lines-- literally a couple minutes to write. It has grown since to about 10X the size to handle some details specific to my network setup more intelligently.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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I'd be a lot more interested in this if there was a way to get a decent keyboard on it, i.e. one with t-shaped arrow keys, instead of this terrible bar-shaped one. I ended up with some work Macbooks when they switched to bar-shaped and they were _miserable_ to use. I had to add some tape on the left and right keys just to get some tactile feedback about where my fingers had to end up. It's an absolute dealbreaker for me these days, pretty much no matter how great everything else about the laptop may be.
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