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Children aged 2-6 successfully trained to acquire absolute pitch (2012)

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Re: Children aged 2-6 successfully trained to acquire absolute pitch (2012)

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Post by tomcam »

1letterunixname wrote: post #214
ChainOfFools wrote: post #69

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do you also suffer from ( sometimes socially compromising) misophonia as well? I also have what I consider to be above average hearing sensitivity, although not to the point where artifacts from music compression bother me that much. I don't have an official testing result to prove or define this in quantifiable terms, only that I seem to notice things in the ambient sound environment that most others either don't no…

Unrelated to SCDS, I have misophonia* and hyperacusis#. * Certain external sounds (mostly by other people) raise a limbic rage or anger, such as chewing, raking silverware with teeth, crunching, or rustling food packets. People who don't chew with their mouths closed are painful. # Painful to hear certain intensities of certain frequencies. I believe the SCDS is also causing vestibular problems. For example, deep sub…

I could barely read the first paragraph because I was having physical reactions to it. As to the second, that sounds just terrible. I’m sorry for you.

Re: Children aged 2-6 successfully trained to acquire absolute pitch (2012)

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

bjoli wrote: post #249
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #215

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Do you recommend any routine to help a young child learn absolute pitch? I’m talking under 3 years of age.

I would have found it useful in school. At work it got in the way. Unless your kid is going to.play one of those perpetually out of tune instruments like the piano I wouldn't recommend it. I had a horn colleague that had the crazy kind of perfect pitch (he still has, but he is retired) and perfect metronome tempo and all that. He called it a curse.

Interesting perspective. I'm an amateur musician and always thought that absolute pitch would have made me a better musician. I wanted to make sure that my kid gets the opportunity to acquire perfect pitch, even if he doesn't decide to take up music in the future

Re: Children aged 2-6 successfully trained to acquire absolute pitch (2012)

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Post by bjoli »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #252
bjoli wrote: post #249

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I would have found it useful in school. At work it got in the way. Unless your kid is going to.play one of those perpetually out of tune instruments like the piano I wouldn't recommend it. I had a horn colleague that had the crazy kind of perfect pitch (he still has, but he is retired) and perfect metronome tempo and all that. He called it a curse.

Interesting perspective. I'm an amateur musician and always thought that absolute pitch would have made me a better musician. I wanted to make sure that my kid gets the opportunity to acquire perfect pitch, even if he doesn't decide to take up music in the future

I find that being able to hear the note you are about to play before you play it is great, but having that note absolutely anchored into something that might not be in tune with what is around you is really just a hindrance.

There are certainly people that like their perfect pitch, but I did not. There is a reason they teach in in many asian countries between the ages 2 and 5. A girl I studied with told me they never told you the note they started on when they did melody dictation. You were just supposed to know.

Re: Children aged 2-6 successfully trained to acquire absolute pitch (2012)

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Post by bjoli »

klysm wrote: post #57
bjoli wrote: post #50

I am a professional musician (bassoon player in a symphony orchestra). I can, if I practice it a couple of times a week, achieve and sustain perfect pitch. I had no semblance of perfect pitch until I decided to practice it at age 24. Before that the only chance I had to guess a note was to put in in relation to my own voice. Even though I don't practice this anymore (it isn't very useful), I still often just instinct…

I’m curious how much initial effort it took you to get decent at it

Not very much, surprisingly. It was in a period of my life when I was practising a lot, which might have helped.

It took only about a month before I went from having to reason about what note it was to just knowing instantly.

Re: Children aged 2-6 successfully trained to acquire absolute pitch (2012)

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Post by bjoli »

unc0n wrote: post #162
nostrademons wrote: post #120

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I think there's different components to pitch memory, including both relative and absolute pitch. (I suspect there's more than that, too - some people seem to just hear a chord as a single unit while others pick out the individual notes in it, some people have a very good ear for timbre.) I don't have perfect pitch, but I actually seem to have anchored on A=443Hz. When my violin teacher insisted on 440Hz it would cau…

When I played in a youth orchestra our music director told us that certain European orchestras use A=443Hz (he said ones in Vienna specifically but there might be others). Perhaps you have a history of listening to many recordings with such tuning.

It differs. 442 or 443 are the most common ones. My orchestra tunes 442. When I worked in Germany it was usually 442, but some orchestras tuned 443.

Vienna Phil have historically gone even higher, but are probably down to standard levels by now.

Re: Children aged 2-6 successfully trained to acquire absolute pitch (2012)

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Post by klysm »

bjoli wrote: post #254
klysm wrote: post #57

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I’m curious how much initial effort it took you to get decent at it

Not very much, surprisingly. It was in a period of my life when I was practising a lot, which might have helped. It took only about a month before I went from having to reason about what note it was to just knowing instantly.

I usually use the technique of finding the interval from the lowest note I can hum - did you reason with a similar technique?
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