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Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

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Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

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And the cameras being integrated so the driving would break if you'd neutralize them.

You can still drive it. You can’t use autopilot thought

You're responding in literal terms about a Tesla to an analogy about the Qualcomm 5G chips

Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

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This seems like much bigger news than it's being received as. Sure, other chip makers do sketchy things, but is that really where we're at in 2023? We're so beaten down by proprietary user-disrespecting hardware/software that we just shrug it off? This makes me mad. I'm so sick of this type of thing. It's a horrible time too because the embedded 5G chips are about to be part of everything , sending telemetry back abo…

It seems like much smaller news than what they pretend it is. If you open up the suspicious domain in a web browser, it does explain what it is, who it belongs to. It’s a download location for a GPS almanac, used in assisted GPS. See http://izatcloud.net/

The shocking news is that modern smartphones connect to a huge list of locations for various purposes. A large laundry list of providers can collect your ip addresses. But there’s little way around that. Every phone with a GPS chip will download that almanac from somewhere. Qualcomm uses Qualcomm. Broadcom will likely use Broadcom.

Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

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This is why Snowden removes the microphone from his phones.

me too, and i also remove the camera[s], and put a dab of urethane over the hole. if i know there is an accelerometer i cut Voltage, and shunt it to ground

Good for you. There are so many examples of cameras on internet-connected devices being used to blackmail people, and criminals are pretty creative, so they'll keep thinking of other nefarious things to do in the future.

Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

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> I think every major car manufacturer has some kind of remote unlock capability these days - people want an app. Correct. And that (along with everything else related to it) is why I won't own a car that was made too recently.

Replying to both of you, first off which manufacturers let you choose the 3rd party remote access authorized agent? And which won’t machine new keys if you send them a request and your vin or key code. Second, Tesla comms are encrypted. Anyway, if you don't want to use vehicles which communicate with a server then good for you. Really. But if you’re taking such a stance I hope it’s based on informed data and consiste…

> Anyway, if you don't want to use vehicles which communicate with a server then good for you. Really. But if you’re taking such a stance I hope it’s based on informed data and consistent principles and not cringy FUD.

Why can't we just hold the opinion that HTTP and operating an automobile are two separate things entirely?

I've been driving for 20 years without web crap and I've never sensed the need to share telemetry with anyone during that process.

Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

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This seems like much bigger news than it's being received as. Sure, other chip makers do sketchy things, but is that really where we're at in 2023? We're so beaten down by proprietary user-disrespecting hardware/software that we just shrug it off? This makes me mad. I'm so sick of this type of thing. It's a horrible time too because the embedded 5G chips are about to be part of everything , sending telemetry back abo…

I think you guys are ALL missing the point. Imagine if you bought a brand new car but later found out it had a stolen engine? This is probably why Qualcomm is collecting data from its chipsets. Qualcomm gets a 5% royalty (5% of the cost of the entire handset) payment from each vendor.

Qualcomm needs to know if a vendor is lying about the number of chipsets it has used. They need to know if the vendor claims 10M cheapo handsets and 1M expensive handsets - they need to know if the numbers are actually reversed!

This backdoor can get them the evidence they need to invalidate a license with a vendor - cut of chipsets shipments - and start a new negotiation. Remember, Chinese vendors will cheat like bananas. Chinese vendors asked for a HUGE discount on domestic phones - and they go it - but at the cost of a higher-than-normal royalty for exports. They are probably cheating, it's what they do.

Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

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post #241

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me too, and i also remove the camera[s], and put a dab of urethane over the hole. if i know there is an accelerometer i cut Voltage, and shunt it to ground

What’s the privacy issue with accelerometer?

Because it can be used to roughly track location through 3D space. It's nowhere near as accurate as practically any other method but for "good enough" a lot of the time it'll do the job.

Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

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post #241

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me too, and i also remove the camera[s], and put a dab of urethane over the hole. if i know there is an accelerometer i cut Voltage, and shunt it to ground

What’s the privacy issue with accelerometer?

One I could think of is you could use accelerometer data to know if the phone is moving, and how: is it just being lifted and interacted with, is the user walking or running, are they in a car.

For a high profile target you might also be able to track their approximate location if you know their starting point and their acceleration profile - speed up, slow down, turns, time taken. Enough, at least, to execute an ambush.

Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

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On the other hand, Teslas cannot be driven remotely YET. Enabling this functionality is a core goal of the Tesla company. It remains to be seen if it is abused once it actually works. Ford has already applied for patents for cars that will self repossess for example.

Isn't the summon feature exactly that?

Smart summon is a party trick that requires you to keep LOS to the vehicle the entire time. Like Full Self Driving it is not capable enough to be a problem yet.

If there is any good news about this it is that Full Self Driving appears to be a more difficult problem than Elon expected and they are struggling with it.

Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

#259

This seems like much bigger news than it's being received as. Sure, other chip makers do sketchy things, but is that really where we're at in 2023? We're so beaten down by proprietary user-disrespecting hardware/software that we just shrug it off? This makes me mad. I'm so sick of this type of thing. It's a horrible time too because the embedded 5G chips are about to be part of everything , sending telemetry back abo…

I think you guys are ALL missing the point. Imagine if you bought a brand new car but later found out it had a stolen engine? This is probably why Qualcomm is collecting data from its chipsets. Qualcomm gets a 5% royalty (5% of the cost of the entire handset) payment from each vendor. Qualcomm needs to know if a vendor is lying about the number of chipsets it has used. They need to know if the vendor claims 10M cheap…

How do you cheat with a physical object like that? Isn’t Qualcomm selling them the chips? It’s not a windows install, it’s a physical item they buy. Don’t they just pay by the unit?

Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

#260

This seems like much bigger news than it's being received as. Sure, other chip makers do sketchy things, but is that really where we're at in 2023? We're so beaten down by proprietary user-disrespecting hardware/software that we just shrug it off? This makes me mad. I'm so sick of this type of thing. It's a horrible time too because the embedded 5G chips are about to be part of everything , sending telemetry back abo…

I think you guys are ALL missing the point. Imagine if you bought a brand new car but later found out it had a stolen engine? This is probably why Qualcomm is collecting data from its chipsets. Qualcomm gets a 5% royalty (5% of the cost of the entire handset) payment from each vendor. Qualcomm needs to know if a vendor is lying about the number of chipsets it has used. They need to know if the vendor claims 10M cheap…

This is the customer's problem, how?
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