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Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by notvplez »

Waterluvian wrote: post #235
m_fayer wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fascinating. I experienced something very similar as a kid, with huge grey spheres in a black void. They felt implacable, indifferent, yet malicious. And I had a sense of futility and utter insufficiency. I also experienced these feelings later on psychedelics and in some other circumstances of adult duress. I really do wonder what to make of the similarities.

There’s a very reassuring feeling I’m having right now seeing so many people write about the same kinds of sensation. Insufficiency. Futility. Infinitesimally unlikely. HAD to. Indifferent, malicious. Having to move things in a way that conflicted with the established physics of the situation.

Count me in the camp of people experiencing this, I associate it with childhood fever dreams. And much later, I encountered the exact same feeling through psychedelic experimenting. Never knew it was such a common experience either, and as you say it's very reassuring.

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by lagadu »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #43
siva7 wrote: post #13

Both those trip reports are very unusual for psylocibin and LSD. It looks to me that the author might have other health complications that caused the bad trips. As a general advice one should be very careful when taking psychedelics with other prescribed medications or having a history of mental illness.

I don’t think they’re that unusual. I think there’s a major bias on the internet toward only allowing/supporting positive stories. Negative stories attract a lot of people trying to explain it away as due to underlying mental illness or some other generic explanation (which is inevitably so generic that it could apply to any user) It seems every negative psychedelic anecdote on HN is met with commenters that are resi…

Obviously this is purely anecdotal but I thought I'd share my experience anyway: I hear a lot more often about bad experiences on the internet than I do in real life, and in my social circles using drugs for recreation is common.

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by aardvarkr »

lazystar wrote: post #127
jerglingu wrote: post #22

Had a similar experience, but with the much more tame marijuana. It was a 6-hour long panic attack for me. Similar to the author of this, I read for years of how "the only way it could ever harm you is if you were crushed by 100 lbs of it" on sites like Reddit. It wasn't until after getting high that I heard about marijuana amplifying stress tendencies in a minority of people. I've always been high strung, and maybe…

When folks say that marijuana's a safe drug, it's purely in reference to the fact that it wont kill you. 100 shots of tequila in an hour will cause death; 100 tokes of marijuana will not. The problem this results in is an interesting one: marijuana growers are constantly increasing the per gram density of THC/cannabinoids in their plants. The consequence of this is that today's marijuana, compared to that of the '70s…

I think your fear is stopping you from experimenting with MJ. Just like how you can dose with alcohol or any other substance regardless of how concentrated, you can take a smaller, more measured dose of MJ instead of finishing an entire joint by yourself. Edibles and cartridges are great ways to dose.

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by klyrs »

camillomiller wrote: post #224
klyrs wrote: post #52

> About 160 µg later Serious? You went with a strong dose on your first try and you blame Steve Jobs ? I mean, don't get me wrong, he was a dick what with driving a un-plated Porsche just so he could park in handicap spots and all, but this is 100% your fault. According to erowid, a starter dose is around 25ug.

Aktchually, it was a Mercedes SL55

Oh, fine, all is forgiven.

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by Trasmatta »

curl-up wrote: post #247
Trasmatta wrote: post #136

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I think I know the feeling exactly. I had recurrent dreams like that as a kid, that somehow always involved a large yellow sphere / ball. For some unknown reason I HAD to move that sphere, but I also knew it was impossible. It evoked this odd and terrible sensation emerging from two opposing mental forces: there was something I HAD to do at all costs but I also knew it was entirely impossible at the same time. My “ba…

Yellow/beige/brown spheres for me as well. Other commenter had spheres also. I never even thought that this might be something others experienced. Sadly, trying to find more information on this only delivers "dream interpretation" BS content. For me, the feeling of dread did not come from me "having to move spheres but not being able to" however. It came from "knowing that these spheres will be moving no matter what…

That optical illusion gave me a hint of the original feeling. On my drug trips it was also highly correlated with a spinning or vibrating sensation, which also seems somewhat present in that illusion.

There's something really interesting here about this shared type of experience that many people are reporting. All a bit different, but a very similar feeling.

I feel like others online must have discussed this type of thing before, but I've also come up short when searching it. How do you even describe it or name it in such a way that is searchable? Has anyone come up with a name for it?

Now I kind of want to post this on Reddit or something to find more people with this experience, and maybe see if anyone has a name for it.

I've never done Salvia, but the descriptions I read about it from people remind me of this feeling as well. They often talk about a wheel and spinning movement and dread.

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by [deleted] »

notvplez wrote: post #251
Waterluvian wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a very reassuring feeling I’m having right now seeing so many people write about the same kinds of sensation. Insufficiency. Futility. Infinitesimally unlikely. HAD to. Indifferent, malicious. Having to move things in a way that conflicted with the established physics of the situation.

Count me in the camp of people experiencing this, I associate it with childhood fever dreams. And much later, I encountered the exact same feeling through psychedelic experimenting. Never knew it was such a common experience either, and as you say it's very reassuring.

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Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by maitland »

notvplez wrote: post #251
Waterluvian wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a very reassuring feeling I’m having right now seeing so many people write about the same kinds of sensation. Insufficiency. Futility. Infinitesimally unlikely. HAD to. Indifferent, malicious. Having to move things in a way that conflicted with the established physics of the situation.

Count me in the camp of people experiencing this, I associate it with childhood fever dreams. And much later, I encountered the exact same feeling through psychedelic experimenting. Never knew it was such a common experience either, and as you say it's very reassuring.

Also count me in. Excited to see others with the same experience.

I got to the point of rationalizing this as actually being some kind of memory of being born / memory of that trauma. The lack of all proportion to the sensation, along with the incredible stakes, feeling of pressure (literal and figurative) etc…

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by Trasmatta »

maitland wrote: post #257
notvplez wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Count me in the camp of people experiencing this, I associate it with childhood fever dreams. And much later, I encountered the exact same feeling through psychedelic experimenting. Never knew it was such a common experience either, and as you say it's very reassuring.

Also count me in. Excited to see others with the same experience. I got to the point of rationalizing this as actually being some kind of memory of being born / memory of that trauma. The lack of all proportion to the sensation, along with the incredible stakes, feeling of pressure (literal and figurative) etc…

I've also wondered before if it was somehow related to the trauma of childbirth...not a memory per se, but a trauma imprint. But who knows...

So interesting reading all these reports of the same type of thing!

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by kris-nova »

I often attribute the vast majority of my happiness and success back to psychedelics, trauma, and my experience living an unconventional and eccentric life.

I could fill pages with the anecdotes, specific examples, and my personal speculation on why this is but i can just gloss over the details and skip to the takeaway: LSD has made my life net better.

Another point I am trying to drive home is that this is what I would consider an “incomplete” or “immature” take. For example the authors anxiety is likely stemming from some organic experiences either traumatic, economic, physiological, or psychological — getting to the bottom of those and surfacing the patterns themselves is one of the great benefits of this chemical. I’d love to see this author examine their experience and ask where the anxiety is coming from.

You have to face your fears and anxiety before you can understand them — before you can conquer them.

I’m just glad this forum is finally talking about this topic. More psychedelics here please.

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by randomopining »

CyberRabbi wrote: post #62

The popular LSD and psychadelic advocacy online and elsewhere is an expression of the mainstream ideology. The foundation of our collective ideology tells us these drugs should have some profound life-altering and improving effect. Obviously, when examined critically, the premise is ridiculous on its face. Everyone I know who regularly does these types of drugs is not really doing much else with their lives. As for S…

It's just another "experience" in life. Many have found it significant. I agree it's prob not some panacea thing... but clearly it let's people feel some other way of thinking and feeling things in their life and the world.

Which can probably be an impetus to solve some forms of depression, or have a change in life etc.

So I think you're partially right but also partially wrong at writing it all off as useless or some fad.

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