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Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by BurningFrog »

sharemywin wrote: post #156
yardie wrote: post #25

Watch how fast this falls out of the news cycle because it doesn’t align with America’s view of San Francisco. So far I’ve heard it was: a homeless person, a junkie, mentally ill, violent criminal common to San Francisco. Part of me felt this was personal. A stabbing you have to get fairly close. Bob Lee could know his killer. And I don’t know him well enough to know who he hung out with.

just to be fair "mentally ill" and "in tech" don't have to be mutually exclusive.

I have no evidence beyond gut feel, but I think the tech population is probably above average in mental illness.

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Post by francisofascii »

awb wrote: post #14
Teever wrote: post #8

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Those are two broad classifications. Any two broad classifications will have some overlap. I don’t think you’ve demonstrated that this overlap is any bigger than with any other random classification (hair color, height, type of car they drive , etc.).

Really? I would have to at least assume that people who have committed murders have, on average, a higher propensity for risk taking than the average person.

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Post by eclipxe »

jefftk wrote: post #240
Aeolun wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For comparison, Japan has 0.3, the UK has 1.1 and France has 1.3. I know they’re in the linked table, just wanted to mention that even the best city in the US is still relatively bad.

> even the best city in the US is still relatively bad Your parent didn't mention the "best city in the US" though? Per the linked table it seems to be Irvine CA at 0.72 per 100k, which would be below average in the UK or France.

Zot!

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by kemayo »

version_five wrote: post #196
reddog wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> including current faves Austin and Miami Austin has 2.57 murders and nonnegligent manslaughters per 100K. Same year, SF has 6.35 per 100K. So SF is twice as bad as Austin. Your right about Miami though. But 6.35 isn't bad. The murder rate in St Louis (for comparision to the US city with the worst) is 66.07 per 100K. And Colima Mexico (worst in the world maybe) is 182 murders per 100K. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…

Per capita rates are often hard to compare (I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with any conclusions). I find the rates often have more with how boundaries are drawn and are especially inaccurate for smaller populations as a reflection of overall safety. There's probably an element of that in the St. Louis numbers. I once saw a crime map of the boroughs in a city where I lived. It showed the downtown as way higher than o…

Yeah, Saint Louis is a weird case because it has a really tight boundary compared to most cities, so the crime numbers you see are all about the urban core and don't include data from the suburbs.

This NYT article has some numbers comparing "metro areas" rather than cities, and it knocks Saint Louis down a few slots (while still leaving it amongst the worst in the nation, for sure): https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/upshot/crime-statistics-s...

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Post by pbourke »

cemerick wrote: post #182
idopmstuff wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with saying that SF has relatively low violent crime is that it ignores the constant, extremely aggressive verbal assault that people are just accustomed to. In the years I lived there, I had people scream at me that they were going to kill/stab/etc. me at least a couple of dozen times (I would describe this as violent crime). Of course, if you call SFPD, they'll just tell you it's not an issue and ignore…

You're right, "violent crime" is a term of art that involves the commission of a…crime. "Verbal assault" is not assault. I guess if you don't like the vibes in a place, you can go somewhere else, but trying to use such things to influence how people talk about or perceive actual , no, for real crime is intellectual malpractice.

Your comments are disingenuous. A decline in the quality of life in a city due to crime, substance abuse, homelessness and untreated mental health disorders has an immense affect on one’s well being. That goes doubly so for people with spouses and children.

If you are confronted by a mentally ill person screaming threats at you, is your first thought to seek comfort in the violent crime stats? You must be some kind of robot, if so.

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Post by refurb »

cemerick wrote: post #2

This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

I don't exactly blame people, who live in SF and have seen crime get worse, from latching onto a high profile murder as more evidence of crime out of control.

So this particular murder was a personal thing, ok.

But that doesnt change the fact crime has gotten worse in SF.

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Post by magicmicah85 »

PaulWaldman wrote: post #138

It sounds like this information wasn't released publicly by the local authorities. The article has a link to a LinkedIn profile. The writer indicates that the name and city of the LI profile matches the information on the person they were "told" was arrested this morning. Even the name of the company of the person indicated is explicitly referenced in the article. My professional world doesn't allow for ambiguity. As…

Generally a source isn't somebody you don't know, a journalist should know who the source is, their relationship to the subject and have developed some type of trust with them. Without that trust, a journalist opens themselves up to libel if it turns out this person was not the person arrested.

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Post by bombcar »

kaycebasques wrote: post #34
j4pe wrote: post #20

Joe Eskenazi, the author of this piece, is a solid journalist who helps run the tiny donation-funded Mission Local. They've done incredible reporting on corruption in the SF city government and punch way above their weight in the stories they break. I have respect for how Joe refused to join in reporting this murder as evidence of a violent crime epidemic, while still reporting on homelessness and property crime.

They really do some amazing reporting. Based on the fact that this is the first article I'm seeing on this topic, it seems that Mission Local may have got the scoop [1] on the Chronicle and other big newspapers on this high-profile topic. That is a big deal for journalists (if I recall correctly) because it means you're doing better original reporting and you're more connected to the neighborhood. [1] https://grammar…

Any small local news organizations will almost ALWAYS get the scoop on the big ones, for local news. Because the vast majority of "big" news things are a division of some conglomerate and just regurgitate Reuters.

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Post by positron6000 »

myrmidon wrote: post #177
Varqu wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Why is this downvoted? Are the numbers bad? This is suprising to me as non-American because Detroit reads to me "like gang-infested murdercity" and I would have expected San Francisco to do significantly better in crime numbers... Are the numbers misleading or IS criminality in San Francisco comparable to Detroit?

The numbers are misleading because they're based on voluntary reporting from law enforcement agencies to the FBI's UCR program. The FBI has this to say:

Data users should not rank locales because there are many factors that cause the nature and type of crime to vary from place to place. UCR statistics include only jurisdictional population figures along with reported crime, clearance, or arrest data. Rankings ignore the uniqueness of each locale. Some factors that are known to affect the volume and type of crime occurring from place to place are:

• Population density and degree of urbanization.

• Variations in composition of the population, particularly youth concentration.

• Stability of the population with respect to residents; mobility, commuting patterns, and transient factors.

• Economic conditions, including median income, poverty level, and job availability.

• Modes of transportation and highway systems.

• Cultural factors and educational, recreational, and religious characteristics.

• Family conditions with respect to divorce and family cohesiveness.

• Climate.

• Effective strength of law enforcement agencies.

• Administrative and investigative emphases on law enforcement.

• Policies of other components of the criminal justice system (i.e., prosecutorial, judicial, correctional, and probational).

• Citizens’ attitudes toward crime.

• Crime reporting practices of the citizenry.

- https://ucr.fbi.gov/ucr-statistics-their-proper-use

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Post by realworldperson »

beepbooptheory wrote: post #29
cemerick wrote: post #2

This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

I get sick to my stomach reading that thread. It was close to the last straw for me with regards to leaving this community completely, or at least trying to fight my HN habit. I get a lot out of the things shared here and the discourse, but sometimes we get those threads and I just can't believe so many otherwise smart, intelligent people would believe and say such horrible things.

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