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Google has already pulled six products in 2023

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Re: Google has already pulled six products in 2023

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Post by illiarian »

muyuu wrote: post #210
illiarian wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but the Pixel is a success and it doesn't make sense to compare a high-end line of products on a per-unit basis to cheapo phones Compare it to high end products then, and you'd still come up short. There's also the reason why I pointed out "in the context of Google, and Google products": it's a tiny product made at great effort and expense that Google clearly doesn't know what to do about (they haven't even support…

compare it to high-end lines and Google is #3 in some markets and #4 in others, which is unmitigated success companies don't get to #3 or #4 in some of the most lucrative sectors in the world and then just decide to close shop because they're not #1 or #2 there are a bunch of profitable companies that ONLY make money in Pixel's sector, are recognised brands and they are already behind the Pixel in market share it's e…

> compare it to high-end lines and Google is #3 in some markets and #4 in others, which is unmitigated success

Define: High end

Define: "some markets"

Also: Pixel isn't one phone. It's Pixel 7 Pro (premium) and Pixel 7 (sorta medium) and Pixel 6a (cheap)

Also: We're talking about Google, 80% of whose revenue comes from online advertisement. Spending a lot of effort on a relatively low-volume hardware product that may be some number in some markets is not nearly enough to guarantee long-term viability of the product. I'm surprised Google has stuck by Pixel (given the very spotted history of the phone) at all.

Re: Google has already pulled six products in 2023

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Post by ssharp »

I know that "never used these!" is a common trope with these sunsets, but Google also shuts down products that have big impacts to users. The shutdown of Universal Analytics and, to a less extent, Optimize, is having a pretty big impact to most website.

Re: Google has already pulled six products in 2023

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Post by lolinder »

londons_explore wrote: post #100
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #98

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> Half of this list is side projects which didn't work out, which is understandable to a certain degree What happens to the people who bet on them? Do they even have a point of contact if e.g. an integration breaks? That’s the point. They’re half-baked products being put out and pulled with no care in the world. That’s the brand. Which means when a Stadia comes out, a product that could have worked if people trusted…

They really just need clear branding between "This is a side project, we might take it away with just a months notice" and "This is a product we will give you many years notice and a migration path if we decide to get rid of it". I think they should label everything in the former category "experimental". Put the label right in the logo so it is really obvious.

I honestly think that a lot of these side projects should be released under a different brand name. Kind of like how GM has different brands for their luxury cars, or Disney had Touchstone Pictures for their less-child-friendly movies. If a project is one employee's 20% time or one manager's promotion project, it should be released under a different brand name. It can always be rebranded if it becomes an actual business priority.

Re: Google has already pulled six products in 2023

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Post by [deleted] »

kmlx wrote: post #140
Kuinox wrote: post #17

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Pixel still had recent major software issues (Crashing when calling emergencies, a year after the first reports), or ongoing issue, like massive battery drains in certain conditions. I bought a Pixel 6, I don't think I'll buy another Pixel again. The official pixel case got destroyed due to wear in not even a year (my own 3D printed case in TPU now lasted longer than google one). The official pixel case also caught s…

> The official pixel case got destroyed due to wear in not even a year welcome to the "official case" club. all my iphone cases get destroyed in max 6 months, with one lasting less than 3 months. during the course of an iphone (2 years) i go thru 5-6 "official" cases.

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Re: Google has already pulled six products in 2023

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Post by xhrpost »

ChildOfChaos wrote: post #246

Honestly still missing Stadia so much. Not a heavy gamer, but Stadia was awesome for game nights with friends and also the play while someone watches along feature was great. I'd always wanted to play Red Dead redemption 2 (which was on Stadia) but my PC can run it, so I bought it for my birthday, 110 gb download, had to install the epic launcher, then the rockstar launcher, then it complained about not being able to…

While Valve has made a decent cloud download platform, it seems other publishers have struggled to keep up in terms of quality and performance of their cloud systems. It's a bit puzzling to me since this is where companies make their money now. I'm only guessing, but I would think that having higher priorities like DRM, analytics/tracking, profit squeezing (remember Blizzard's first platform requiring you to help P2P share game downloads with other users?), etc., ultimately gets in the way of a good user experience.

Re: Google has already pulled six products in 2023

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Post by rvnx »

bogwog wrote: post #237
londons_explore wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They really just need clear branding between "This is a side project, we might take it away with just a months notice" and "This is a product we will give you many years notice and a migration path if we decide to get rid of it". I think they should label everything in the former category "experimental". Put the label right in the logo so it is really obvious.

Why would I invest in games/hardware for Stadia if Google themselves admit that it might get shutdown at anytime? Lying to consumers is the safer (short term) bet.

They did something nice, instead of leaving the users with a brick, they refunded all users who bought Stadia products through official channels.

(sadly, to get official distribution, you need to be part of the "worldwide deployment" of Google products, and it's often a lie that actually menas "we deployed in many large countries except yours")

Re: Google has already pulled six products in 2023

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Post by Spooky23 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #227
Spooky23 wrote: post #195

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There’s a bias here for AWS because they were the early adopter product and have traction with startups. I think Google is more creative on the business side with GCP and is doing well in the market in a lot of ways. AWS does the circa 1985 “Hi, we’re IBM, fuck you” thing. Azure doesn’t get the grief GCP does because MS service growth is driven by really complicated deals. Few of the types of people who post here und…

> Azure doesn’t get the grief GCP does because MS service growth is driven by really complicated deals The kind crafted by competent sales teams in it for the long haul. Not the rotating cast of characters at Google.

Lol. Those account managers these days get purged pretty quickly. MS isn’t Oracle, but it isn’t 2003 either.

“It would be a shame if those O365 E5 went up 30%. How about you buy 50% of your spend on these credits that fell off the truck, and we can forget about that?”

Re: Google has already pulled six products in 2023

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Post by dgellow »

ChildOfChaos wrote: post #246

Honestly still missing Stadia so much. Not a heavy gamer, but Stadia was awesome for game nights with friends and also the play while someone watches along feature was great. I'd always wanted to play Red Dead redemption 2 (which was on Stadia) but my PC can run it, so I bought it for my birthday, 110 gb download, had to install the epic launcher, then the rockstar launcher, then it complained about not being able to…

Didn't Stadia compete more with consoles than PC gaming? You don't have that launcher bullshit to deal with if you're using a PS4 (or whatever other console you like).

Edit: If I were you I would try out GeForce Now[0], you can connect your Steam account and play your game with a decent experience. I don't believe they have Red Dead Redemption 2, but next time you want to play just 30min-1h, it could be a good option.

[0] https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce-now/

Re: Google has already pulled six products in 2023

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Post by rcme »

rpdillon wrote: post #161
iLoveOncall wrote: post #85

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The battery in cartridges has expired in the vast majority of the cases which means you can't save anymore. I don't see any outrage towards Nintendo for that.

Disingenuous. There's a bright distinction between natural wear of the product and remote shutdowns. Analogy: I don't get outraged if my laptop's battery loses capacity or even swells over time. I do get outraged if I can't boot my laptop because it checked with some remote server that decided I'm not allowed to boot it.

You can also replace the battery to restore functionality.
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