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Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by seydor »

kritiko wrote: post #77

Looking at Notes, I get why Elon is so mad about it. They totally ripped off the Twitter UI. I follow Ed Zitron's Substack, and he is also a prolific Tweeter. He seems to be using Notes the same way he uses Twitter, for shitposting. I'm not sure that's really in line with the tone of Substack.

And it s not like twitter has some kind of optimal design. The heart button in the middle is bad for my fingers! the left sidebar is useless and search sucks. Both of these services should try to make good work instead of copying each other

I actually thought that a newsfeed would be a good fit for substack, but looking at this i dont think i m going to use it. It should be simpler, a timeline of things i ve subscribed, with some threaded, sane comments. The medium shapes the message, and twitter's medium is just not a good fit for substack's message

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by tomcam »

WheatMillington wrote: post #192
phtrivier wrote: post #169

You can now start a timer until they announce that they're going to algorithmically organize the feed of "Notes" because "chronological order is too hard to follow." Then, they will let an Algo organize the feed of articles. Then the ads - no, wait, the "sponsored post - will start popping in, etc, etc... Maybe they won't. I enjoy substack as it is today, and maybe they'll pull it off. But I can't help seing this as…

Catastrophising about a future that doesn't exist based on pure speculation. You're already upset about this product on the basis that bad things MIGHT happen in the future. Live in the moment, this type of chronic negativity is unhealthy.

> Maybe they won't. I enjoy substack as it is today, and maybe they'll pull it off.

Mindread much? You have no idea whether GP is upset.

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by shafyy »

rosywoozlechan wrote: post #214
DanHulton wrote: post #204

...and his actions. He's not just a nebulous political creature, thinking thoughts but not acting upon them. He's actually _doing_ things that people might rightly not agree with. Not to mention, a good chunk of those actual actions have resulted in Twitter being a legitimately worse place for a great number of people to spend time on/engage with, and thus they... leave.

Whenever someone criticizes Elon Musk I just remember he sent a car he drove, a car built by a company he leads, into heliocentric orbit using his own rockets via his own space launching tech company. I don't know how you can talk about the guy without that context. People talk about him like he's just another jerk on Twitter. His car is in space. He's also the wealthiest person on the planet. And his car is in space…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_effect

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by rwmj »

andrewmutz wrote: post #239
phtrivier wrote: post #169

You can now start a timer until they announce that they're going to algorithmically organize the feed of "Notes" because "chronological order is too hard to follow." Then, they will let an Algo organize the feed of articles. Then the ads - no, wait, the "sponsored post - will start popping in, etc, etc... Maybe they won't. I enjoy substack as it is today, and maybe they'll pull it off. But I can't help seing this as…

I don't think there is inherently anything wrong with algorithmic feeds. Algorithms work well when finding you interesting content when there is too much content to show you all of it. Netflix does this every day and people don't complain about it. I think the real problem is when this is done with an ad-supported business model. In that model, the interests of the algorithm designer are too far removed from the inte…

Maybe there's not anything "inherently wrong", but in all instances I'm aware of they've been worse than simply showing the posts in date order.

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by dopamean »

andrewmutz wrote: post #239
phtrivier wrote: post #169

You can now start a timer until they announce that they're going to algorithmically organize the feed of "Notes" because "chronological order is too hard to follow." Then, they will let an Algo organize the feed of articles. Then the ads - no, wait, the "sponsored post - will start popping in, etc, etc... Maybe they won't. I enjoy substack as it is today, and maybe they'll pull it off. But I can't help seing this as…

I don't think there is inherently anything wrong with algorithmic feeds. Algorithms work well when finding you interesting content when there is too much content to show you all of it. Netflix does this every day and people don't complain about it. I think the real problem is when this is done with an ad-supported business model. In that model, the interests of the algorithm designer are too far removed from the inte…

I kinda prefer the algo feed tbh. It shows me stuff from yesterday when I didnt check the feed at all. I'm on some IRC servers and a couple discord as well and it often feels like if I don't check constantly I'll miss something and have to scroll for ages to sort it out. I don't mind that as much on those platforms but for things like IG and twitter I do enjoy the algo feed.

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by neither_color »

MikusR wrote: post #228
phtrivier wrote: post #169

You can now start a timer until they announce that they're going to algorithmically organize the feed of "Notes" because "chronological order is too hard to follow." Then, they will let an Algo organize the feed of articles. Then the ads - no, wait, the "sponsored post - will start popping in, etc, etc... Maybe they won't. I enjoy substack as it is today, and maybe they'll pull it off. But I can't help seing this as…

Can you explain what you enjoy about substack? It just seems to be Forbes contributors with even less vetting.

Layperson here:

When I click on a forbes article I usually don't notice the author.

On Substack I'm subscribed to specific authors and one former newspaper/ now independent journalist I follow.

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by mikestew »

canadiantim wrote: post #82
ctvo wrote: post #65

I love that it looks identical to Twitter but is orange. I love that it's going to enrage Elon. He's going to realize that he paid 44 billion for something that's going to lose users to Substack's side project.

Elon paid 44 billion for twitter's existing users and wanting to overthrow the censorship regime that was defacto the standard before Elon bought twitter. Thank god Elon bought twitter and made it possible for other social media sites to be more open to free-speech.

Am I right in that it's Poe's law[0] that's getting the workout today?

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by patrickmay »

hersko wrote: post #34
capital_guy wrote: post #33

I've just checked it out and it's much closer to a Twitter clone than I anticipated. Now it's clear why Elon made the drastic decision to mess with substack links on Twitter. The site is clean and simple. I'm very disappointed in Musk for essentially ruining one of the world's great information platforms. Mastodon was just not the thing people were looking for. I hope this takes off.

How is twitter ruined? My personal experience on the site has not changed much.

Musk killed the APIs that enabled third party tools like TweetBot. Twitter is close to unusable now.

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by [deleted] »

czbond wrote: post #175
jpmattia wrote: post #115

It wasn't like Twitter's business had a large technical barrier-to-entry. And Musk seems to be pissing away his non-technical barrier-to-entry just about as hard as he can. Good luck to Substack on eating twitter's lunch! Edit: That said, I've found mastodon (@jpmattia@mastodon.mit.edu) to be a much more pleasant interaction compared to twitter, so I'm curious what the landscape looks like in a couple of years.

Twitter's barrier wasn't that it was technically hard - it was that it was free and had critical mass. There still isn't much of a reason to move away from it, except for those who want to signal their disdain for Musk's political views

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Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by dang »

DanHulton wrote: post #204

...and his actions. He's not just a nebulous political creature, thinking thoughts but not acting upon them. He's actually _doing_ things that people might rightly not agree with. Not to mention, a good chunk of those actual actions have resulted in Twitter being a legitimately worse place for a great number of people to spend time on/engage with, and thus they... leave.

Please let's not have the nth (or n-thousandth) celebrity flamewar about this celebrity. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35530201.

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