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Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by codedokode »

mgraupner wrote: post #143
wasyl wrote: post #132

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4 years ago I bought a maxed out (except storage) MBP 15" for ~3.5k EUR. A similarly specced machine now is 4.7k EUR, and a maxed out (except storage) one is 5.2k EUR. I'd really want to upgrade to a machine with M chip but with current prices I can't reasonably justify that. Instead, I got a PC with 8c/16t Ryzen with similar performance in my workload for fraction of the price, and simply use the MBP only when neede…

For 3600€ you could get the M2 Pro 16" with 32 GB RAM and 1 TB SSD which is a much faster machine than the on you bought 4 years ago, even if the specs might not have changed that much. Could not argue about the price of a Ryzen, can't beat that. :)

I am surprised that you pay the price of 7 ordinary laptops and get only 32 Gb of RAM and only 1 Tb of storage.

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Post by makingstuffs »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #115
drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

>The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. The cheapest iPhone they sell you is the SE, a phone with a low-res, dim display, that's worse than what Android phones had 10 years ago (have the SE from work and my dusty old 2012 Samsung Note 2's OLED display just blows it out of the water), all starting at a whopping 549 Euros, more than my rent. Apple's pricing is just nuts in Europe. For up to 399 I might give…

I 100% agree about the hardware but I have to say the selling point of apple is the OS. I have an iPhone SE 2020 and the screen broke. This caused me to use my QA device (Samsung S21+) while I returned to the city from the mountains.

It was a horrendous experience. The camera is unquestionably better in the Samsung but that is about all the positives I could take from my week of using it.

Android was just an abysmal experience from my perspective. Nothing on it seems intuitive and everything feels like a ploy to get you to use a product which will siphon your data off to Google.

Obviously this is just my own personal anecdotal experience so take it with a pinch of salt. But there will no doubt be others feeling the same.

I miss my old 3310 if I am honest. I’ve been looking at dumb phones recently. I just need one with WhatApp so I can talk to my family around the world ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by zitterbewegung »

drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

Honestly the best value is to buy a used or discounted M1 air. M2 on an air can throttle and the M1 base models even have a faster SSD.

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Post by mattrighetti »

Clubber wrote: post #157
mattrighetti wrote: post #41

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Probably also because a lot of people didn’t see the point in upgrading to this new M2. I noticed that a lot of users also seem to go for a used M1 because it got cheaper and it’s still insanely good.

I bought an M1 MacBook Pro when they came out and I like it a lot. What concerns me about future revisions of the CPU is it will get hotter and the fan will get noisier. One of the best features of the M1 is the fan hardly comes on, and when it does, it's very quiet / low RPM.

I bought an M2 a couple of months ago, coming from an i9 16". Oh boy, I know what it is like to have a hot machine :sigh:. The Intel version was stuck at 70C in idle, which is nuts. I think that that was probably the main reason of the switch.

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Post by 1980phipsi »

pjc50 wrote: post #217
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #145

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Outside of Peter Zeihan, I'm also utterly surprised that no one even brings up the demographics debate. Everyone has been so indoctrinated on the "we have too many people" propaganda that they haven't even realized how fast birth rates have dropped across the globe (and they're dropping even faster now). The demographics of Europe, China, Japan and S. Korea are all terminal at this point. Outside of UK, France, and t…

Would you like to explain the link between the absolute number of people in a country and the value of its currency vs the dollar?

GDP will tend to grow faster if your population is growing faster (in capitalist, developed economies). On a second-order (or maybe 3rd-order) basis, GDP per capita will tend to be faster if your demographics are skewed younger vs. older. Regardless, faster growth rates tend to result in higher real interest rates. Higher real interest rates attract foreign capital, which tends to cause currencies to appreciate.

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Post by 1980phipsi »

golergka wrote: post #195
alchemist1e9 wrote: post #74

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> The dollar is insanely strong right now This is a bigger story that isn’t being told properly often. The recent BRICS currency move is about them panicking over increasing dollar global dominance. Checking recently I can’t find any major currency that is up against the dollar over last 10 years. US productivity is running away from the rest of the planet is another variable and with rapid on shoring of numerous ind…

> Checking recently I can’t find any major currency that is up against the dollar over last 10 years. New Israeli shekel is really, really close — 3.56 to 3.62 both now and 10 years ago.

Israel's GDP is like a fortieth of the US, but they have had a really solid economy over the past ten years, which helps their currency.

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Post by mywittyname »

simonh wrote: post #177
ralfn wrote: post #161

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Which is weird, because barely any part of it is produced in the US. So it's not that their costs are going up. They are just not realizing they are self sabotaging in terms of opportunity costs. If they adjust prices to purchasing power, with at least 30% profit marge, windows laptops and chromebooks would be having crisis talks right about now. People would prefer the Apple stuff, but not at that price. Even if you…

This isn't the first time Apple sales have taken a hit in a downturn. The issue is if they significantly cut margins now, when the economy swings back up again the risk is they'll face an uphill battle growing margins again. People delaying purchases, or buying lower spec models or alternatives now may well want to upgrade sooner when their financial situation improves. If Apple sacrifices margins they risk losing ou…

Apple is using the Porsche model of, "An entry level is a used one".

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

piva00 wrote: post #227
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #186

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Fair, but Sweden's population is just too small to make any meaningful impact on Europe as a whole.

But that's moving the goalposts, Europe has a bunch of countries with small populations, Sweden is 16th in population from 40+ countries. Aside from Germany, Italy, the UK, France, Spain and Poland all the other countries will hover +- ~10 million people compared to Sweden. It's smack in the median of population size in Europe.

In all fairness, Sweden isn't exactly doing remarkably well either. It's fertility rate is still well below replacement level. It's still in terminal decline. Just a tad slower than its peers.
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