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Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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Post by Avamander »

rlpb wrote: post #16
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #12

They could do with improving the behaviour of snaps first before removing alternatives. The updates are currently awkward as they don't seem to work if the application is running which can be a problem with something like Firefox which I have running for days at a time. It's also annoying that it's gone from using simple "apt" commands to keep the machine up-to-date, to also needing a "snap refresh". I choose to use…

> The updates are currently awkward as they don't seem to work if the application is running The fix for this is currently being tested: https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1980271 > before removing alternatives Alternatives remain available for install. They weren't removed.

It's insane how long it takes them to fix bugs in their auto-update mechanism they've forced on everyone. Things like that were reported years and years ago. They fixed the data corruption issue with their auto-update mechanism, but that too existed for years.

They also still haven't fixed that disgusting ~/snap folder.

It's very obvious by now how little Canonical cares about their users.

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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Post by enobrev »

Saris wrote: post #238
wilonth wrote: post #161

Wow they're still pushing snaps, the project with some the worst engineering I've ever seen. - Extremely slow at doing anything, even the most basic commands. - Ridiculous auto-update mechanism (you can't even disable it wtf). - Random, nonsense limitations (why can't I open dot files and dot directories???). So terrible that for most apps that I installed with snaps I end up installing the deb version later on. What…

My favorite experience with snaps is Firefox just closing in the middle of doing something because it wanted to update, and it didn't even bother to check if I was using it first.

This happened to me and since I had to immediately stop what I was doing, I used the opportunity to take snap off my system completely and reinstall Firefox properly.

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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Post by SSLy »

IceWreck wrote: post #209
SSLy wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

snap's original sin was the moat of server being closed source and client /really/ wanting to talk only to the Canonical's instance. The latter is shared by Docker, in a way.

I dont use docker anymore (podman ftw) but that is unfair criticism of docker. You can use any container registry (including self hosted) with docker and it will work. Last I checked, you cannot use any other repo at all with snap without recompling it to add support for your snap repo.

By "in a way" I've meant the encroachment of the default namespace. Much less smaller sin than snap's, but then docker is much bigger.

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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Post by creshal »

geokon wrote: post #233
qbasic_forever wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arch Linux is pretty faithful to shipping software exactly or as close as possible to as the upstream authors intended. It's on a rolling release which means you kind of get a firehose of nonstop major version updates though, whether you want them or not.

how does that work in practice？ upstream didn't build with all the dependencies at the same version as the latest in the arch repo. Nor are most upstream developers bumping all their dependency versions constantly if you're a big player like ubuntu/debian you can go to the authors/upstream and ask them to fix the program to work with their dependency versions (in say.. an LTS release). most would be glad to bc it's j…

In practice it works because GP is exaggerating. Arch does hold back library and/or program updates until they work together, or simply ships multiple major releases of libraries, and have a separate testing branch.

Right now e.g. there's openssl (still at version 3.0.x, because nobody supports 3.1.x yet) and openssl-1.1 (1.1.x-y) to handle the rather slow migration of upstreams to the new major release.

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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Post by Avamander »

Havoc wrote: post #234

Are Ubuntu devs just not reading the room?

Oh they are, but they're intentionally ignoring the feedback. Instead of listening to hundreds of users (a ridiculously high amount for a bug report) they've said (paraphrasing) that they have "many more users to cater to".

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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Post by its-summertime »

https://fosstodon.org/@wimpy/109908489437633387

@bluesabre@floss.social "[…] Ultimately, each of the current flavor leads agreed to the change. […]"

@wimpy@fosstodon.org "@bluesabre Did we agree? I think we complied with the requested change. You and I both played our part in ensuring this was clearly and openly communicated."

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https://nelsonaloysio.medium.com/installing-ubuntus-snap-on-...

> […] As Ubuntu’s snap requires access to the root file system in order to create a symlink in /snap to /var/lib/snapd/snap, successfully installing it requires a few extra steps. Besides, $HOME directory in Silverblue defaults to the more traditional path /var/home/$USER, and since snap expects it to be on its modern location /home/$USER, this must be worked around as well. […]

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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Post by sockaddr »

Saris wrote: post #238
wilonth wrote: post #161

Wow they're still pushing snaps, the project with some the worst engineering I've ever seen. - Extremely slow at doing anything, even the most basic commands. - Ridiculous auto-update mechanism (you can't even disable it wtf). - Random, nonsense limitations (why can't I open dot files and dot directories???). So terrible that for most apps that I installed with snaps I end up installing the deb version later on. What…

My favorite experience with snaps is Firefox just closing in the middle of doing something because it wanted to update, and it didn't even bother to check if I was using it first.

This also happened to me. So I decided to uninstall the snap and “apt install firefox”

Guess what I got?

A freaking snap. Yes, try it.

I’m done with Ubuntu

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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Post by wing-_-nuts »

CalRobert wrote: post #165
wilonth wrote: post #161

Wow they're still pushing snaps, the project with some the worst engineering I've ever seen. - Extremely slow at doing anything, even the most basic commands. - Ridiculous auto-update mechanism (you can't even disable it wtf). - Random, nonsense limitations (why can't I open dot files and dot directories???). So terrible that for most apps that I installed with snaps I end up installing the deb version later on. What…

Snaps are getting me off Desktop Ubuntu after 12 years of happily using it.

I switched to pop OS (after a brief stint with an arch distro) and have never been happier.
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