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Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by Aachen »

PaulWaldman wrote: post #61
Aachen wrote: post #43

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Ugh. After over a decade of work, everything was finally adapted to or made for 16:9, now they're going after hipster ratios? Not a deal breaker but a bummer. Interesting that phones are going the other way, so now we can enjoy letterboxes on both platforms and not be able to reach the notification drawer. What was so wrong with 16:9 that we needed another competing standard that's just slightly off...

I welcome the extra vertical space and couldn't care less about watching video content full screen. Do that many people buy these laptops as portable Netflix players?

You never watch any video content on anything but a TV? Make any content like a game or website? Having a universal ratio makes all these things a lot simpler.

Until 4k became more popular maybe five years ago, the vast majority of devices were 1920x1080, plus a series of budget 1366x768 devices but that's the same ratio. Upscaling an integer factor to 4k is also convenient and doesn't cause any issues, just makes everything sharper.

It's when you start to mess with the ratio that you need to suddenly account for different people having different things in view. You can't simply scale a hero image (or game scene or so) to 20:9 without everything becoming contorted, you need to start to crop, but then you're hiding information so now you need to add optional parts that don't look out of place when shown and can also be hidden without consequence.

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Post by wkat4242 »

nrp wrote: post #174
eviks wrote: post #154

It's a pity the keyboard design never seriously improves even for the niche laptops. Like, the space to the sides is useless here, but if you could split the keyboard and move that space to to the middle - well, know you've moved one step closer towards more ergonomic typing! Or better yet, you could move all those pinky keys there so that instead of moving your right pinky to hit backspace you'd just move your right…

We see interesting use cases for the small modules on the left and right as well if you are not some who wants to slide the keyboard to the left and put a numpad on the right. We’re showing a prototype of an LED Matrix that can be used for low res information display, but other things like a row of extra buttons, a narrow LCD, a capacitive slider, and others are possible too. As a sibling comment noted, it is also po…

Hmm Apple really put a ton of money into making their touch bar work and even they couldn't manage to make it actually useful. If they couldn't do it, framework has no chance.

I would have been a lot less critical about the touch bar if it hadn't replaced the function key row though. That one is mandatory for me, and there was more than plenty room on MacBooks to have both at the same time.

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Post by sudosysgen »

Runways wrote: post #240
sudosysgen wrote: post #224

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You can completely turn off dGPUs from software nowadays. In theory the driver should do it for you when it's not in use (And I find this works well for me), but you can also forcefully turn them off, both on Windows and Linux, such that they draw exactly 0W.

Hmmm. My experience with XPS 15s is you can turn it off with software in Linux, but it was pretty technical (not something average users would be keen on). I wasn't sure if that was the case for most laptops. It definitely wasn't drawing 0W when I was just coding/browsing/etc though, it doubled the battery life in Linux when I turned it off.

It depends on how recent the motherboard and GPU is, if you have an NVidia dGPU. If you have a GPU made in the last two years and a recent CPU, it works automatically out of the box with X11. On older systems, it's pretty technical, but thankfully many distributions now come with tools that handle it all for you and give you a button you can click to turn it off.

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Post by bombcar »

zerocrates wrote: post #250
bombcar wrote: post #246

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Most of the "modularity" of Framework seems to be USB dongles built-in. CPU upgradability was never a real selling point except for ONE use case - when. new socket came out, buy the cheapest reasonable CPU early on, and then just when it was about to cease manufacturing, buy the best you could get; would give you a year or two extra. RAM and disk upgrades USED to be very important; but I haven't really "felt" the nee…

It's not modularity, but upgradability of the CPU (through a total replacement of the motherboard) is part of the Framework pitch: keeping the form factor the same so you can do drop-in replacements. So far they have boards for Intel's 11th, 12th, and now 13th generations, and an AMD option. So they're doing pretty good on that front.

At that point it seems almost worth it just to buy another one so you have two laptops; a mainboard has to be a significant part of the cost of the whole system.

(this was my problem back when I built desktops - it was almost never worth upgrading anything but RAM or disk, instead build a whole new one and repurpose/sell the old one)

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Post by bityard »

codedokode wrote: post #129
bleep_bloop wrote: post #37

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Are there any 13" laptops on the market with more than 4 ports? None that come to my mind. My macbook air has only 2 x USB C and I've never come across a situation where I needed more. For a 13" 4 ports is more than most people require and it wouldn't make sense for a small start up to only target extremely niche use cases.

The manufacturers do everything wrong. Why not add 10 ports to every laptop? Are USB-A sockets so expensive? It surprises me especially that MacBooks seem to be targeted at professionals, like creators and creators always have lot of stuff with USB plugs - like MIDI keyboards, MIDI controllers, external audio interfaces, mouse, drawing tablet, external hard drives - but MacBook only has like 3 sockets, despite being…

That's how you sell $300 thunderbolt docks!

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Post by pritambaral »

nicoburns wrote: post #133
ochoseis wrote: post #122

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On my OS you can use CTRL+PgUp/PgDown to cycle through tabs, which makes the dedicated keys by the arrows really useful for single-handed tab cycling. Most other ways require a chord with both hands, so it’s just a lot slower.

Ctrl-tab can be pressed with one hand, no?

Ctrl-Tab serves a different function on my browser: go to last-used tab. Like Alt-Tab, but for browser tabs.

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Post by Floegipoky »

marpstar wrote: post #179
panick21_ wrote: post #108

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Maybe don't generalize your personal experience. Working with almost anything can give you carpal tunnel. Is there any evidence carpal tunnel is more likely then with any other input method?

More anecdotes from me on the input-method to wrist-problems correlation: I weight train regularly. Lots of forearm tension. I noticed one day that it always hurt more when I was scrolling (using an original Apple Magic Mouse). Brutal repetitive strain injury. However, when I went for periods of time only using the trackpad in my MacBook, my arm would feel Upon realization, pretty much immediately switched to a track…

I had a very similar experience. It started to happen within less than a year of starting my career. Both arms bothered me if I was typing in high gear for a long time, but the right was a lot worse and started to be an everyday thing. I switched the mouse from right to left side for a week and the right side started to feel a lot better. I ditched the mouse for a trackpad and picked up a kinesis advantage and never looked back. Still use a mouse and traditional keyboard layout for my gaming PC though.

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Post by zerocrates »

Aachen wrote: post #249
codedokode wrote: post #113

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What 16:9 is good for? It is inconvenient for any work: for coding, reading articles or working with documents more height is better. Please explain for what kind of activity wide, but low height screen is the most suitable? The only thing that comes to mind is killing time by watching videos on social networks sites.

> What 16:9 is good for? It is inconvenient for any work: for coding, reading articles or working with documents more height is better. Is it? Gee, I wonder why it's the only screen ratio I've seen people use since we moved away from CRT screens until a few years ago when 4k and friends became popular and there was suddenly no standard resolution to expect anymore. Curious that we're all using this inferior ratio for…

Hmm, is that actually true? My recollection of widescreen PC monitors and laptops is that they all started at 16:10, and the shift to 16:9 came later (and is now reversing somewhat).

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by Aachen »

rsynnott wrote: post #90
Aachen wrote: post #43

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Ugh. After over a decade of work, everything was finally adapted to or made for 16:9, now they're going after hipster ratios? Not a deal breaker but a bummer. Interesting that phones are going the other way, so now we can enjoy letterboxes on both platforms and not be able to reach the notification drawer. What was so wrong with 16:9 that we needed another competing standard that's just slightly off...

> now they're going after hipster ratios? Eh? 16:10 is a pretty standard ratio; all Apple laptops have used it since about 2007, for instance (until very recently, when they've gone a little taller) but also many other vendors (usually on the high end; for whatever reason manufacturers do tend to treat taller than 16:9 as a bit of a premium option). It was also effectively the standard ratio for widescreen desktop mo…

> 16:10 is a pretty standard ratio; all Apple laptops ...

At 10% of the market, I'd not say that's standard.

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